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I don't have time to read through this forum myself but i heard there is a lot of good info here...
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View Postweathergeek87, on 13 March 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

Even if the plane exploded in mid-air, like flight 800, I'm sure some type of debris would have been found already.
This is a deepening mystery.

If it was a hi-jacking, the question becomes, why this plane?

View Posticehater, on 13 March 2014 - 11:55 PM, said:

I thought some of the 9/11 hi jackers trained or passed thru Malaysia. Maybe it's an easy mark.
maybe something to do with 2 stolen passports?

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If the battery is dead in a phone, the phone may still ring:

"The news has fueled all kinds of speculation, but phones that are turned off do not always necessarily go straight to voicemail. Factors such as location, the phone’s network type and its proximity to a cell phone tower can all affect whether a dead phone will still ring on the caller’s end.
You can test this for yourself: turn off your cell phone, remove the battery and call your number on another line - most kinds of phones will still ring before you reach voicemail."
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View PostNittanyLion, on 14 March 2014 - 06:31 AM, said:

If the battery is dead in a phone, the phone may still ring:

Yeah i've noticed that too. I wasn't too big on that theory.
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Headline on CNN:

Reuters says military radar suggests Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was deliberately flown toward the Anadaman Islands.
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I think the plane exploded in the air. If that was not the case, you would think someone sent out a text from the time the transponder was turned off. If it was hijacked there would be a call or text sent out. Look at 911 how many people made calls. Whatever happened, happended fast.
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View PostFreezingDrizzle, on 13 March 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

777 needs about 3,000 feet of runway. One expert opined that airstrips like that are fairly common.

Saw that as long as its not filled with fuel. but to take off the runway needs to be much larger because of the weight of the fuel
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View Postsnowshoe, on 14 March 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

I think the plane exploded in the air. If that was not the case, you would think someone sent out a text from the time the transponder was turned off. If it was hijacked there would be a call or text sent out. Look at 911 how many people made calls. Whatever happened, happended fast.

Had this discussion with someone today. They made a real valid point of how that occurred when it was over the US with a vast cell phone network. Over the ocean, not so much.
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View PostNittanyLion, on 14 March 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

Had this discussion with someone today. They made a real valid point of how that occurred when it was over the US with a vast cell phone network. Over the ocean, not so much.

Yes and if they got in the cock pit without people knowing, they could of turned of the repeater that is used for people to make calls from a plane. Because it is to high up to use the regular cell phone network
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11-12 snowfall - 22.8".........12-13 snowfall - 52.1
09-10 Snowfall- 75.30" .....10-11 snowfall - 62.00"
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View Postweathergeek87, on 13 March 2014 - 09:37 PM, said:

Mike - I am trying to find the link to the story I was reading earlier - it said that the callers heard "ringing", several callers - but how could that be if the phone is submerged in a plane crash? Usually the call doesn't ring and it goes right to voicemail. This is why some were speculating that the plane did not crash and is on land in some remote airstrip somewhere. My friend was telling me that he heard people speculating that the hi-jackers flew the plane to a remote location where it possibly loaded the plane with explosives, and it could be headed to a specific target at any moment. One person said this could possibly be a more "thought out" 9/11. Of course, all speculation but it makes you really think considering the latest developments. Edit: People are also throwing around "alien abduction" for this too. Lol


After those reports came about about the callers hearing "rings" when calling the phones of those on the plane, one of the news channels (can't remmber which one) had a "tech expert" on who said, it was possible depending on the network/carrier or the type of phone as well, that before going to voicemail they could possiblty hear ringing until the network determined that it can't connect and then ultimately went to voicemail.

Anything is possible (although I'm personally going to rule out alien abduction, and that it passed through a rupture in the space-time continuum), but if I had to say what I think happened to the plane...I have to think it's at the bottom of the sea somewhere. I have a real hard time believing it could land (successfully, first off) anywhere - no matter how remothe the location - without being detected in some way.
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CNN going bonkers with this story. Now it's looking more and more likely that it was either a terrorist or the pilot himself who diverted the plane.
They are saying it was a well thought out plan. Investigators are going through the list of the passengers now trying to determine who could be a suspect. Here it is a week later and the plane is still MIA. Crazy. Experts saying the likelihood that the plane is at the bottom of the ocean is still there but now there is speculation that it may have landed on some of the remote islands out there in the Indian Ocean.

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Wolf Blitzer offering another explanation now - saying that there was some seismic activity in the ocean at the same location of where the plane made the sharp left turn. No idea how that would affect a plane 35,000 feet up though.

Edit: Okay I see what Wolf was trying to say - a plane crashing into the ocean at high velocity could have been the reason for the seismic activity showing up on the detectors. The expert he just had on the show says that the seismic activity recorded was probably just a minor earthquake and not the plane, though.
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Searchers have a lot of ground to cover. Its like looking for a needle in the haystack. The ocean is vast and things are not as noticeable with waves I remember when a small plane crashed on Hamburg Mt in Sussex County. It took a good 5+ days to find that plane. That's in NJ.
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Could this be a possibility. the 2 Iranians that boarded with stole passports worked with the pilots And somehow got poisoness gas on board, along with gas mask. They let the gas out on the passenger area while they are in the cockpit with mask. this killing all passagers very quickly without warning and had no time to text or call. Then with all transmitters turned of, no radar in that area, and no calls from passangers they fly freely to location they need to get to.
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View PostBlizzard78, on 14 March 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

Could this be a possibility. the 2 Iranians that boarded with stole passports worked with the pilots And somehow got poisoness gas on board, along with gas mask. They let the gas out on the passenger area while they are in the cockpit with mask. this killing all passagers very quickly without warning and had no time to text or call. Then with all transmitters turned of, no radar in that area, and no calls from passangers they fly freely to location they need to get to.
thats what im going with(wasnt sure, did they use the stolen passports?) along with the pilot. the plane didnt crash it flew for 4-5 hours after everything was disconnected( http://www.npr.org/b...rent-directions). apparently rolls royce has meters on the engines that record the use, they were still running. so now what are they gonna use this plane for? missle? oi vey this is ugly.

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The one transponder that sends a signal every hour can not be shut off. If that was the case and the plane did not crash then they should be able to pick it up.
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You have to also wonder if this was something like United 93. Hi-jacked and then the passengers fought back and the plane went down during the fight. They need to get the data about what the plane actually did. The sharp turn indicates some kind of reprogramming of the flight but that could have been done by the pilot. But if the aircraft was flying erratically that would lend credence to the plane being flown by someone unfamiliar with it.
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View PostBlizzard78, on 14 March 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

Could this be a possibility. the 2 Iranians that boarded with stole passports worked with the pilots And somehow got poisoness gas on board, along with gas mask. They let the gas out on the passenger area while they are in the cockpit with mask. this killing all passagers very quickly without warning and had no time to text or call. Then with all transmitters turned of, no radar in that area, and no calls from passangers they fly freely to location they need to get to.

The pilots wouldn't need any outside help to do that. I don't suspect the two Iranians in this.
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So many theories and such little information. This is one hell of a mystery.
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