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I've wanted to get some thoughts on this, so here we go. We'll start off with some recent happenings:

http://www.cnn.com/2...harvard-speech/ -- Mike Bloomberg
http://www.ew.com/ar...ollege-campuses -- Jerry Seinfeld
http://www.washingto...t-tolerant-mos/ -- Don Lemon
http://nymag.com/dai...ing-to-say.html -- Johnathan Chait -- this one is long and involved but worth the read
http://www.cbsnews.c...t-media-sexism/ -- this group actually scares me

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View Postgpsnavigator, on 05 July 2015 - 08:08 AM, said:

I've wanted to get some thoughts on this, so here we go. We'll start off with some recent happenings:

http://www.cnn.com/2...harvard-speech/ -- Mike Bloomberg
http://www.ew.com/ar...ollege-campuses -- Jerry Seinfeld
http://www.washingto...t-tolerant-mos/ -- Don Lemon
http://nymag.com/dai...ing-to-say.html -- Johnathan Chait -- this one is long and involved but worth the read
http://www.cbsnews.c...t-media-sexism/ -- this group actually scares me

http://www.huffingto..._n_6855006.html

I haven't really had the time to read through all this, but I'm probably not one to speak on political correctness. After all, my college had a speaker in the controversial former Weather Underground person in Bill Ayers:
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I like the article with Mike Bloomberg, I think he makes a lot of good points. Political correctness could turn out hurting the Democrats if they aren't careful. I think Trump may be proof of the large amount of people getting tired of being told how they have to feel about something and what they can say and if you don't there will be consequences.
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View Postweatherbowl, on 05 July 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

I like the article with Mike Bloomberg, I think he makes a lot of good points. Political correctness could turn out hurting the Democrats if they aren't careful. I think Trump may be proof of the large amount of people getting tired of being told how they have to feel about something and what they can say and if you don't there will be consequences.

I think it's jumped the shark. People almost look for reasons to be outraged and offended today and it's getting to the point where the PC movement is almost a parody of itself. We need to be very careful about how much we squelch dissent. The open exchange of thoughts and ideas (done respectfully and civilly, of course) is one of the foundations of a free society.
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View Postweatherbowl, on 05 July 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

I like the article with Mike Bloomberg, I think he makes a lot of good points. Political correctness could turn out hurting the Democrats if they aren't careful. I think Trump may be proof of the large amount of people getting tired of being told how they have to feel about something and what they can say and if you don't there will be consequences.

View Postdevilsfan0405, on 05 July 2015 - 07:35 PM, said:

I think it's jumped the shark. People almost look for reasons to be outraged and offended today and it's getting to the point where the PC movement is almost a parody of itself. We need to be very careful about how much we squelch dissent. The open exchange of thoughts and ideas (done respectfully and civilly, of course) is one of the foundations of a free society.

Agreed. While I don't support Donald Trump or flying the confederate flag over state capitals, there needs to be more of an adult response to things some may perceive as offensive. And the current incarnation of the outrage machine is not the answer.

I too believe it becomes an unfortunate problem for the Democrats if allowed to continue. The two examples I cited where Obama gets flack for supposed sexist remarks are absurd. So, it's not just conservatives that run afoul of the p.c. tribe. I admire Bloomberg for attempting to call it out at the Harvard speech. I'd like to see more liberal and moderate voices push back. There is much needed debate to be had on sensitive issues like immigration, campus sex assaults, and community policing. But vilainizing anyone and anything who is even perceived to have a sexist thought or theoretical racist undertone is not only bad for the debate and bad for democracy, it is also a very totalitarian mindset.

Another topic gaining traction on college campuses is this idea of "microaggressions". Apparently there are now a collection of phrases circulating around academia such as "America is a melting pot" that are deemed microaggressions - meaning they can somehow ignite feelings of racial tensions in some and therefore should not be used. I wonder, are we really heading for a time where we have to shelter everyone from every actual or theoretically perceived hurtful comment?

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View Postgpsnavigator, on 08 July 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

Agreed. While I don't support Donald Trump or flying the confederate flag over state capitals, there needs to be more of an adult response to things some may perceive as offensive. And the current incarnation of the outrage machine is not the answer.

I too believe it becomes an unfortunate problem for the Democrats if allowed to continue. The two examples I cited where Obama gets flack for supposed sexist remarks are absurd. So, it's not just conservatives that run afoul of the p.c. tribe. I admire Bloomberg for attempting to call it out at the Harvard speech. I'd like to see more liberal and moderate voices push back. There is much needed debate to be had on sensitive issues like immigration, campus sex assaults, and community policing. But vilainizing anyone and anything who is even perceived to have a sexist thought or theoretical racist undertone is not only bad for the debate and bad for democracy, it is also a very totalitarian mindset.

Another topic gaining traction on college campuses is this idea of "microaggressions". Apparently there are now a collection of phrases circulating around academia such as "America is a melting pot" that are deemed microaggressions - meaning they can somehow ignite feelings of racial tensions in some and therefore should not be used. I wonder, are we really heading for a time where we have to shelter everyone from every actual or theoretically perceived hurtful comment?

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View Postweatherbowl, on 09 July 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:



Sometimes I wonder if some people just have too much time on their hands.

Yeah, I know a lot of people who seem to be more worried about what others are saying and doing instead of taking care of themselves. I also think social media and the Internet in general has made it a lot easier for people to create a ruckus over things that may have been ignored years ago.
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View Postdevilsfan0405, on 09 July 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

Yeah, I know a lot of people who seem to be more worried about what others are saying and doing instead of taking care of themselves. I also think social media and the Internet in general has made it a lot easier for people to create a ruckus over things that may have been ignored years ago.

Amen to that. The negative of having a 24.7 news cycle. Even the slightest mishap or words spoken can go from a small thing to something huge.
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View Postdevilsfan0405, on 09 July 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:



Yeah, I know a lot of people who seem to be more worried about what others are saying and doing instead of taking care of themselves. I also think social media and the Internet in general has made it a lot easier for people to create a ruckus over things that may have been ignored years ago.

Agreed. Social media has allowed stories to circulate the country in minutes. Plus Facebook always has a comments section on everything so you get wild opinions from every side.
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View Postweathergeek87, on 09 July 2015 - 07:05 PM, said:

Agreed. Social media has allowed stories to circulate the country in minutes. Plus Facebook always has a comments section on everything so you get wild opinions from every side.

The comments section of a news article has some of the most ignorant hateful things I've ever read, and I applaud those sites who don't have them. The bottom dwellers of society reside there.
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View Postweathergeek87, on 09 July 2015 - 07:05 PM, said:

Agreed. Social media has allowed stories to circulate the country in minutes. Plus Facebook always has a comments section on everything so you get wild opinions from every side.
This is the reason that the only social media sight I use is facebook - and even that I've curtailed my use in the past 6 months, unfollowing several political groups including liberal ones. The silliness of the posts and the stupidity that follows with the comments makes you wonder what people are really doing on there (and with their lives). I mostly just use it now for keeping up with a few outdoor groups, scientific communities, and occasionally family members post interesting old family photos.

You even see it with the non-political stuff -- people have to get on the thing and express their outrage over being stuck behind a slow driver on their way home from work, or vent about having to wait an extra 5 minutes for the chicken to cook. It's pretty ridiculous.

I've also read recently that social media is further adding to the rampant divorce rate in America.
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View Postgpsnavigator, on 09 July 2015 - 09:32 PM, said:

This is the reason that the only social media sight I use is facebook - and even that I've curtailed my use in the past 6 months, unfollowing several political groups including liberal ones. The silliness of the posts and the stupidity that follows with the comments makes you wonder what people are really doing on there (and with their lives). I mostly just use it now for keeping up with a few outdoor groups, scientific communities, and occasionally family members post interesting old family photos.

You even see it with the non-political stuff -- people have to get on the thing and express their outrage over being stuck behind a slow driver on their way home from work, or vent about having to wait an extra 5 minutes for the chicken to cook. It's pretty ridiculous.

I've also read recently that social media is further adding to the rampant divorce rate in America.


I like facebook mainly for keeping up with my tv shows, music artists, entertainment, sports and scientific news.

Too many people do think the world should resolve around them. America society is all about me, me, and me and screw everyone else.

The best, most thoughtful and intelligent comments are on nytimes articles....the comment section there has a moderator.
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View PostGameOfLove, on 09 July 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

I like facebook mainly for keeping up with my tv shows, music artists, entertainment, sports and scientific news.

Too many people do think the world should resolve around them. America society is all about me, me, and me and screw everyone else.

The best, most thoughtful and intelligent comments are on nytimes articles....the comment section there has a moderator.
Agreed. Our self-righteous entitlement society is unfortunate.
I'll also add this sight to the list of thoughtful and intelligent comments -- even when we disagree it's done respectfully. It's nice this sight has other forums for the times when there isn't much to discuss with the weather.
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AND just when you thought slick willie was out of it

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View Postvascudave, on 08 April 2016 - 06:58 AM, said:

AND just when you thought slick willie was out of it

http://www.cnn.com/2...ters/index.html

Its another in a long line of ironic moments. While I agree totally with what he said, imagine Donald Trump saying the exact same words. How many people today would be calling him a racist? How many would be saying he does not deserve to be President? How many would be calling for him to drop out?

Its a joke that one side is offended by what the other says, while at the same time supporting their own for the same views.

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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 08 April 2016 - 02:25 PM, said:

Its another in a long line of ironic moments. While I agree totally with what he said, imagine Donald Trump saying the exact same words. How many people today would be calling him a racist? How many would be saying he does not deserve to be President? How many would be calling for him to drop out?

Its a joke that one side is offended by what the other says, while at the same time supporting their own for the same views.
Agreed. These protestors remind me a lot of the worst of the tea party. While there are some legitimate concerns being expressed by the more enlightened, unfortunately, you are dealing with people driven by emotion and outrage, and not much reality. Take for example what happened in Ferguson and Baltimore. Look what's happening on college campuses. I certainly support their 1st amendment rights and freedom of expression, but they don't have the right to shout down voices they've deemed inappropriate, they don't have the right to try to banish people from the public sphere, and they certainly do not have the right to instigate violence and cause destruction.

These same groups have even shouted down Bernie Sanders in the past. Nothing like crapping on your own team. If they are trying to advance the narrative for African Americans, they're doing a horrible job, and arguably, hurting their own cause, and the cause of Democrats in general. This whole idea of identity politics has definitely run off the tracks.

And I guess you can add me to the infinite list of racists for merely expressing my opinion on this topic in a way that probably doesn't jive with the expected narrative.
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Bernie Sanders expected to win Wyoming caucus tomorrow.
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View Postweathergeek87, on 08 April 2016 - 08:23 PM, said:

Bernie Sanders expected to win Wyoming caucus tomorrow.

He needs to win NY. If he doesn't win NY. it's game over.

but the momentum is on his side now..so..shall see next Tuesday night.

btw...I still cannot believe how many people support Clinton over Sanders. Clinton is the epitome of everything wrong in DC. Can this country do any better than the Bushes and Clintons??????
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More hypocrisy from the left...The host at the WH corespondents dinner called the president "my nigga". When questioned the day after, he defended using the word and called it a "colloquialism" . Now, imagine someone like Stephen Colbert using that word and the left branding him a racist for using a racial slur.

More do as I say, not as I do logic from the PC / Left crowd.





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