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Debunk This: https://www.youtube....h?v=hl8CDGynNcM

When what is presented as fact doesn't add up to scrutiny how is that a conspiracy?
Earth is not a spinning ball
Flat Earth Infrared Camera - Hundred of miles with no curve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5RJhRNWCMo&t=608s
2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Can't have + Pressure against a vaccuum: https://www.youtube....suvdGYCY&t=500s
Astronauts on wires / Chromakey Technology: https://www.youtube....h?v=x6XeELc3QH8
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
http://www.atlantean...nning-ball.html
https://flatearthsci...t-earth-proofs/

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If the world was flat,wouldn't you be able to see Mount Everest(Earth's highest point) from just about anywhere on the planet(especially from the ocean or open fields)
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View PostBlizzard78, on 03 June 2016 - 10:01 AM, said:

If the world was flat,wouldn't you be able to see Mount Everest(Earth's highest point) from just about anywhere on the planet(especially from the ocean or open fields)

There is a limit to how far the naked eye can see. Also take into consideration humidity, terrain, air pollution and we are restricted. Its a simple principle, if you were to apply your thinking and look to the heavens then we should see everything without a telescope but you know that is not the case. How does water stick to the sides of a round object? Gravity? The same gravity that a mere insect can defy? If the earth were a spinning ball then all the oceans water would be located at the equator instead of being distributed evenly around the supposed globe. When I first looked into this subject I thought it was silly but all the evidence leads me to believe we are being deceived. If the earth slowly formed while it was spinning then it should be a disk at the very least or not exist at all. Since when does matter coalesce around a spinning object, it actually gets thrown away from it.

When your on a plane do you notice it dropping 2640 feet for every half mile of travel to stay within the confines of the atmosphere? Of course not. According to ball earth theory the earth drops 8 inches per mile squared yet cities, mountains and tall buildings are seen in its entirety when they are supposed to be miles below the curvature of earth.
Earth is not a spinning ball
Flat Earth Infrared Camera - Hundred of miles with no curve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5RJhRNWCMo&t=608s
2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Can't have + Pressure against a vaccuum: https://www.youtube....suvdGYCY&t=500s
Astronauts on wires / Chromakey Technology: https://www.youtube....h?v=x6XeELc3QH8
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
http://www.atlantean...nning-ball.html
https://flatearthsci...t-earth-proofs/

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From Popular Science

top 10 ways to know the Earth is unequivocally, absolutely, positively, 100% not flat!
Moriel Schottlender


1. The Moon

Now that humanity knows quite positively that the Moon is not a piece of cheese or a playful god, the phenomena that accompany it (from its monthly cycles to lunar eclipses) are well-explained. It was quite a mystery to the ancient Greeks, though, and in their quest for knowledge, they came up with a few insightful observations that helped humanity figure out the shape of our planet.

Aristotle (who made quite a lot of observations about the spherical nature of the Earth) noticed that during lunar eclipses (when the Earth’s orbit places it directly between the Sun and the Moon, creating a shadow in the process), the shadow on the Moon’s surface is round. This shadow is the Earth’s, and it’s a great clue on the spherical shape of the Earth.

Since the earth is rotating (see the “Foucault Pendulum” experiment for a definite proof, if you are doubtful), the consistent oval-shadow it produces in each and every lunar eclipse proves that the earth is not only round but spherical – absolutely, utterly, beyond a shadow of a doubt not flat.


2. Ships and the Horizon

If you’ve been next to a port lately, or just strolled down a beach and stared off vacantly into the horizon, you might have, perhaps, noticed a very interesting phenomenon: approaching ships do not just “appear” out of the horizon (like they should have if the world was flat), but rather emerge from beneath the sea.

But – you say – ships do not submerge and rise up again as they approach our view (except in “Pirates of the Caribbean”, but we are hereby assuming that was a fictitious movie). The reason ships appear as if they “emerge from the waves” is because the world is not flat: it’s round.

3. Varying Star Constellations

This observation was originally made by Aristotle (384-322 BCE), who declared the Earth was round judging from the different constellations one sees while moving away from the equator.

After returning from a trip to Egypt, Aristotle noted that “there are stars seen in Egypt and…Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions.” This phenomenon can only be explained if humans were viewing the stars from a round surface. Aristotle continued and claimed that the sphere of the Earth is “of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent.” (De caelo, 298a2-10)

The farther you go from the equator, the farther the ‘known’ constellations go towards the horizon, and are replaced by different stars. This would not have happened if the world was flat:

4. Shadows and Sticks

If you stick a stick in the (sticky) ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:

Imagine the Sun's rays hitting two sticks some distance apart. If the Earth were flat, the resulting shadows would be the same length, no matter how far apart you place the sticks.But they don’t. This is because the earth is round, and not flat:

Because the Earth is round, sticks placed at distant locations will throw shadows of different lengths.Eratosthenes (276-194 BCE) used this principle to calculate the circumference of the Earth quite accurately Video


5. Seeing Farther from Higher

Standing in a flat plateau, you look ahead of you towards the horizon. You strain your eyes, then take out your favorite binoculars and stare through them, as far as your eyes (with the help of the binocular lenses) can see.

Then, you climb up the closest tree – the higher the better, just be careful not to drop those binoculars and break their lenses. You then look again, strain your eyes, stare through the binoculars out to the horizon.

The higher up you are the farther you will see. Usually, we tend to relate this to Earthly obstacles, like the fact we have houses or other trees obstructing our vision on the ground, and climbing upwards we have a clear view, but that’s not the true reason. Even if you would have a completely clear plateau with no obstacles between you and the horizon, you would see much farther from greater height than you would on the ground.

This phenomenon is caused by the curvature of the Earth as well, and would not happen if the Earth was flat:

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6. Ride a Plane

If you’ve ever taken a trip out of the country, specifically long-destination trips, you could notice two interesting facts about planes and the Earth:
  • Planes can travel in a relatively straight line a very long time and not fall off any edges. They can also circle the Earth without stopping.
  • If you look out the window on a trans-Atlantic flight, you can, most of the times, see the curvature of the earth in the horizon. The best view of the curvature used to be on the Concorde, but that plane’s long gone. I can’t wait seeing the pictures from the new plane by “Virgin Galactic” – the horizon should look absolutely curved, as it actually is from a distance
7. Look at Other Planets

The Earth is different from other planets, that much is true. After all, we have life, and we haven’t found any other planets with life (yet). However, there are certain characteristics all planets have, and it will be quite logical to assume that if all planets behave a certain way, or show certain characteristics – specifically if those planets are in different places or were created under different circumstances – our planet is the same.

In other words: If so many planets that were created in different locations and under different circumstances show the same property, it’s likely that our own planet has the same property as well. All of our observations show planets are spherical (and since we know how they’re created, it’s also obvious why they are taking this shape). Unless we have a very good reason to think otherwise (which we don’t), our planet is very likely the same.

In 1610, Galileo Galilei observed the moons of Jupiter rotating around it. He described them as small planets orbiting a larger planet – a description (and observation) that was very difficult for the church to accept as it challenged a geocentric model where everything was supposed to revolve around the Earth. This observation also showed that the planets (Jupiter, Neptune, and later Venus was observed too) are all spherical, and all orbit the sun.

A flat planet (ours or any other planet) would be such an incredible observation that it would pretty much go against everything we know about how planets form and behave. It would not only change everything we know about planet formation, but also about star formation (as our sun would have to behave quite differently to accustom a “flat earth” theory), what we know of speeds and movements in space (like planets' orbits, and the effects of gravity, etc). In short, we don’t just suspect that our planet is spherical. We know it.


8. The Existence of Timezones

The time in New York is 12:00pm. The sun is in the middle of the sky (though it’s hard to see with the current cloud coverage). In Beijing, it’s 12:00am, midnight, and the sun is nowhere to be found. In Adelaide, Australia, it is 1:30am. More than 13 hours ahead. There, the sunset is long gone – so much so, that it’s soon going to rise up again in the beginning of a new day.We have time zones because when the Sun is illuminating one side of the spherical Earth, the other side is dark.

This can only be explained if the world is round, and rotating around its own axis. At a certain point when the sun is shining on one part of the Earth, the opposite side is dark, and vise versa. That allows for time differences and timezones, specifically ones that are larger than 12 hours.

Another point concerning timezones, the sun and flat/spherical Earth: If the sun was a “spotlight” (very directionally located so that light only shines on a specific location) and the world was flat, we would have seen the sun even if it didn’t shine on top of us, the same way you can see the light coming out of a spotlight on a stage in the theater, even though you – the crowd – are in the dark. The only way to create two distinctly separate timezones, where there is complete darkness in one while there’s light in the other, is if the world is spherical.

9. The Center of Gravity

There’s an interesting fact about mass: it attracts things to it. The force of attraction (gravity) between two objects depends on their mass and the distance between them. Simply said, gravity will pull toward the center of mass of the objects. To find the center of mass, you have to examine the object.

Consider a sphere. Since a sphere has a consistent shape, no matter where on it you stand, you have exactly the same amount of sphere under you. (Imagine an ant walking around on a crystal ball. From the insect's point of view, the only indication of movement would be the fact the ant is moving its feet. The shape of the surface would not change at all.) A sphere's center of mass is in the center of the sphere, which means gravity will pull anything on the surface toward the center of the sphere (straight down) no matter where it's located.

Consider a flat plane. The center of mass of a flat plane is in its center (more or less – if you want to be more accurate, feel free to do the entire integration process), so the force of gravity will pull anything on the surface toward the middle of the plane. That means that if you stand on the edge of the plane, gravity will be pulling you toward the middle, not straight down like you usually experience.

A plane's center of mass is in the middle—which means that gravity should pull objects toward the center of the plane.I am quite positive that, even for Australians, an apple falls downwards, not sideways. But if you have your doubts, I urge you to try dropping something – just make sure it’s nothing that can break or hurt you.


10. Images from Space

In the past 60 years of space exploration, we’ve launched satellites, probes, and people to space. Some of them got back, some of them still float through the solar system (and almost beyond it) and transmit amazing images over to our receivers on Earth. And in all of the photos, the Earth is (wait for it) spherical. The curvature of the Earth is also visible in the many, many, many,many photos snapped by astronauts on the International Space Station.

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The difference between me and you is that I will read your copy and paste rebuttal but you will not watch my video let alone answer any of the questions I posted. I will respond but I would like my questions answered as well.
Earth is not a spinning ball
Flat Earth Infrared Camera - Hundred of miles with no curve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5RJhRNWCMo&t=608s
2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Can't have + Pressure against a vaccuum: https://www.youtube....suvdGYCY&t=500s
Astronauts on wires / Chromakey Technology: https://www.youtube....h?v=x6XeELc3QH8
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
http://www.atlantean...nning-ball.html
https://flatearthsci...t-earth-proofs/

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I cant respond to every one of your rebuttals but get serious man and respond to mine. I have done my homework, don't just believe everything that is told to you.

Ships and the Horizon – I have seen plenty of videos and real life situations where a ship supposedly looks like its sinking into the ocean due to perspective and then brought back into full view by zooming in. This would be impossible on a ball earth as the curvature would prohibit the ship from being seen no matter how far you zoomed in. If you have ever seen a long hallway the floor and ceiling sink into each other and become indistinguishable. Sea level is known as such because it is LEVEL. Water does not curve anywhere in real life, it always seeks its lowest level. Enormous lakes in Russia freeze solid and they are known to be the longest and flattest areas on earth, there is no bulge or curve from the frozen water. Curved water has never been observed ANYWHERE. You cant step back for a minute and think it through logically? How does water stick to a ball? How does a rotating ball for that matter have water sticking to all sides when in reality and the science lab the water is drawn towards the equator of something that spins and then is ejected AWAY from it? Ever heard of the Bedford Level Experiment? If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference as NASA and modern astronomy claim, spherical trigonometry dictates the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable 8 inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means along a 6 mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip 6 feet on either end from the central peak. Every time such experiments have been conducted, however, standing water has proven to be perfectly level.

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant spinning sphere tilting and hurling through space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. There would be a massive bulge of water in the oceans because of the curvature of the earth. If earth was curved and spinning the oceans of water would be flowing down to level and covering land. Some rivers would be impossibly flowing uphill. There would massive water chaos and flooding! What we would see and experience would be vastly different! But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense. The water remains flat because the earth is flat!

Varying Constellations:
The experiment known as “Airy’s Failure” proved that the stars move relative to a stationary Earth and not the other way around. By first filling a telescope with water to slow down the speed of light inside, then calculating the tilt necessary to get the starlight directly down the tube, Airy failed to prove the heliocentric theory since the starlight was already coming in the correct angle with no change necessary, and instead proved the geocentric model correct.

Seeing Farther from Higher
Of course you can see farther from higher! If the earth were a ball you would see the earth falling away from you 360 degrees in all directions and it would be more noticeable the higher up you are in the sky but reality is that the horizon is flat no matter how low or high you really are. The rebuttal given is absolutely horrible and proves nothing.

Ride a Plane
Everyone’s favorite astrophysicist Neil Degras Tyson even states that you cannot see the curvature of the earth from a plane because you’re not high enough! No plane ever fly’s with its nose pointing downwards as is goes around the supposed ball earth. Gyroscopes on planes provide 100% proof that the earth is not a ball. Ask any pilot if they make corrections for curvature and they will say NEVER. Use flight tracker and notice how all southern hemisphere flights disappear from radar only to reappear right before they land. This doesn’t occur in the northern hemisphere. Southern international flights always show up in the northern hemisphere before going back down to the southern hemisphere. Why? Isn’t a straight line the fastest route?

Look at other planets?
So because all the cue balls on a pool table are of spherical shape that must mean the table is a sphere as well?

Images from space:
There are several OFFICIAL images of earth from NASA over the years with the continents different sizes, different colors, etc. Every picture of the planets are CGI renderings and never real. More than half the time it shows the satellite orbiting a planet but who is taking a picture of the satellite? I have downloaded images from NASA myself of pictures taken of earth from the moon and messed with them in photoshop to reveal a cut and paste job of the ball earth stuck in the photograph. We know our government lies but we blindly trust NASA? I have seen bubbles in space, astronauts arms disappearing in front of the green screen (CGI FAKERY). Half of the science videos from hubble don’t even make sense and are not even scientific! Guys are bouncing around in gorilla costumes, have easter eggs, pumkins and decorations for every holiday? Really? What crap. So basically the thinking is because I saw it in a picture it must be real.
Earth is not a spinning ball
Flat Earth Infrared Camera - Hundred of miles with no curve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5RJhRNWCMo&t=608s
2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Can't have + Pressure against a vaccuum: https://www.youtube....suvdGYCY&t=500s
Astronauts on wires / Chromakey Technology: https://www.youtube....h?v=x6XeELc3QH8
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
http://www.atlantean...nning-ball.html
https://flatearthsci...t-earth-proofs/

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So wait, I just read this and did not watch the video. Forget ships and the horizon...if the earth is flat, how can a ship leave NYC, sail around the world and return to NYC? For example, a ship leaves NYC and travels south around the tip of South America, heads west into the Pacific and Indian Oceans. After rounding the horn of Africa, it would turn north into the Atlantic and travel back to NYC. The flat earth theory would make this impossible, yet it happens regularly. Any idea how that happens?

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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 06 June 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

So wait, I just read this and did not watch the video. Forget ships and the horizon...if the earth is flat, how can a ship leave NYC, sail around the world and return to NYC? For example, a ship leaves NYC and travels south around the tip of South America, heads west into the Pacific and Indian Oceans. After rounding the horn of Africa, it would turn north into the Atlantic and travel back to NYC. The flat earth theory would make this impossible, yet it happens regularly. Any idea how that happens?

Don't even bother. This is a nonsense thread.
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View Postweathergeek87, on 06 June 2016 - 12:58 PM, said:

Don't even bother. This is a nonsense thread.

I am fascinated that in 2016 that someone still believes the earth is flat and conspiracy theories in general.

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View Postweathergeek87, on 06 June 2016 - 12:58 PM, said:

Don't even bother. This is a nonsense thread.

Agreed. It's not worth wasting time and energy. Anyway, none of my world-travelling friends have, you know, fallen off the face of the earth. Da boom tiss.
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Your all a bunch of lazy sheeple who wont do research. Its hard to come to grip that what you have been taught is a lie. Stay ignorant just like they want you yo be. If you did research you would understand that even though its flat there is no edge. My friends are Naval Officers and on a clear day can see 15 nautical miles, they use laser to track ships out to 28 nautical miles (ships that are supposedly thousands of feet below the curve and they see them). Lasers do not bend with the curve of the earth. They use high powered binoculars to track ships miles and miles away - even at night (so dont give me the image is being reflected nonsense).

You believe the earth is round because NASA told you? They cant even make up there mind how big the continents are in there FAKE photos.

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Coriolis effect is complete BS: A person can shoot and gun and has to take the spinning earth into account when performing long ranges shots because the bullet leaves the surface of the earth YET a plane doesn't have to worry about landing on a moving runway? You guys are so intellectually lazy to do research to see that things don't add up. Water on all sides of a BALL? Impossible, and cannot be replicated ANYWHERE except your imaginations.
Earth is not a spinning ball
Flat Earth Infrared Camera - Hundred of miles with no curve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5RJhRNWCMo&t=608s
2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Can't have + Pressure against a vaccuum: https://www.youtube....suvdGYCY&t=500s
Astronauts on wires / Chromakey Technology: https://www.youtube....h?v=x6XeELc3QH8
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
http://www.atlantean...nning-ball.html
https://flatearthsci...t-earth-proofs/

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Sailing to the East or West the deflection of a needle of the compass is such that a vessel will merely sail in a circle about this center pole. The United Nations knows the earth is flat.


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Earth is not a spinning ball
Flat Earth Infrared Camera - Hundred of miles with no curve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5RJhRNWCMo&t=608s
2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Can't have + Pressure against a vaccuum: https://www.youtube....suvdGYCY&t=500s
Astronauts on wires / Chromakey Technology: https://www.youtube....h?v=x6XeELc3QH8
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
http://www.atlantean...nning-ball.html
https://flatearthsci...t-earth-proofs/

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While I admire your enthusiasm, frankly, who cares if the earth is flat, round, hexagonal or a trapezoid. My TV works, I have internet, planes fly, cars drive and the sun shines (sometimes). Point is, people have opinions, some people think the earth is round, others dont. Some people believe in God (I do), some dont. Whatever makes you happy is great, be happy. Why try to change others?

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View Postwishcast_hater, on 07 June 2016 - 10:36 AM, said:

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Sailing to the East or West the deflection of a needle of the compass is such that a vessel will merely sail in a circle about this center pole. The United Nations knows the earth is flat.


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It's called gravity. If the United Nations thinks the earth is flat, they should definitely be kicked out of New York. :)
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When you say water is somehow sticking to all sides, even upside down....there is something called GRAVITY

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Ahh the THEORY of gravity. That must be it!!! Wait it's so strong that it holds trillions of gallons of water in place but a butterfly or insect effortlessly overcomes this magical force? And yet the earth is spinning at 1100 miles per hour and the water stays in place! Ever spin a wet tennis ball? The water moves to its equator and then ejects off. At the very least all the water on earth should be piling up around the equator.

No one wants to address why we can see farther than we are supposed to given the supposed curve?

Why do I care if the earth is flat or round? Well I just don't like being lied to and indoctrinated.

Newtons proposal for Gravity is over 500 pages long and has the word IF in it over and over. IF the earth was a globe.....

Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
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Earth is not a spinning ball
Flat Earth Infrared Camera - Hundred of miles with no curve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5RJhRNWCMo&t=608s
2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Can't have + Pressure against a vaccuum: https://www.youtube....suvdGYCY&t=500s
Astronauts on wires / Chromakey Technology: https://www.youtube....h?v=x6XeELc3QH8
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
http://www.atlantean...nning-ball.html
https://flatearthsci...t-earth-proofs/

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View Postwishcast_hater, on 07 June 2016 - 05:06 PM, said:

Ahh the THEORY of gravity. That must be it!!! Wait it's so strong that it holds trillions of gallons of water in place but a butterfly or insect effortlessly overcomes this magical force? And yet the earth is spinning at 1100 miles per hour and the water stays in place! Ever spin a wet tennis ball? The water moves to its equator and then ejects off. At the very least all the water on earth should be piling up around the equator.

No one wants to address why we can see farther than we are supposed to given the supposed curve?

Why do I care if the earth is flat or round? Well I just don't like being lied to and indoctrinated.

Newtons proposal for Gravity is over 500 pages long and has the word IF in it over and over. IF the earth was a globe.....

Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
Nikola Tesla

gravity pulls towards center of the earth. A wet tennis ball does not have its own gravity force, just centripetal force


If you want to use the butterfly example, what about Ants? They can carry stuff thats many times their body weight, bascially like us putting a car on our back and walking around with it like a back pack. Some creatures are just strong and have physics on their side

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View Postnyrangers1022, on 07 June 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

gravity pulls towards center of the earth. A wet tennis ball does not have its own gravity force, just centripetal force


If you want to use the butterfly example, what about Ants? They can carry stuff thats many times their body weight, bascially like us putting a car on our back and walking around with it like a back pack. Some creatures are just strong and have physics on their side

What do ants have to do with anything regarding gravity? I can lift up heavy objects and so can a crane, that has nothing to do with gravity. Its just weight or mass, gravity has never been proven but everyone tosses this word around as the solution for everything. Again the earth is spinning at 1000 MPH and magical gravity holds the oceans in place. Again, water never has a curved surface and when something spins it draws the water to the CENTER of the spinning object, all the water is concentrated in one area YET the only place you see water covering a spinning ball is on FAKE pictures from NASA who themselves admit they have no ONE shot of earth from a distance, everything is a composite image. You need to research more instead of spitting out what you were told which doesn't hold up under real scrutiny.
Earth is not a spinning ball
Flat Earth Infrared Camera - Hundred of miles with no curve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5RJhRNWCMo&t=608s
2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Can't have + Pressure against a vaccuum: https://www.youtube....suvdGYCY&t=500s
Astronauts on wires / Chromakey Technology: https://www.youtube....h?v=x6XeELc3QH8
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
http://www.atlantean...nning-ball.html
https://flatearthsci...t-earth-proofs/

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