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USA Today is reporting that Obamacare rates will increase 25% in 2017. So much for bending the cost curve down. And let's be honest, if a liberal rag like this is reporting 25%, it's probably closer to 50%

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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 24 October 2016 - 05:19 PM, said:

USA Today is reporting that Obamacare rates will increase 25% in 2017. So much for bending the cost curve down. And let's be honest, if a liberal rag like this is reporting 25%, it's probably closer to 50%

It's a failed policy. End of story.
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View Postweathergeek87, on 24 October 2016 - 05:26 PM, said:



It's a failed policy. End of story.

Purely a set up for govt controlled, single payer system. Which brings up an interesting question since we needed Obama care to stimulate competition and drive down costs. Libs will forget that argument by then.

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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 25 October 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Purely a set up for govt controlled, single payer system. Which brings up an interesting question since we needed Obama care to stimulate competition and drive down costs. Libs will forget that argument by then.

Funny enough, my parents think the same thing, even though their political ideologies tend to be different than yours.
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View Postthundersleet, on 25 October 2016 - 03:12 PM, said:

Funny enough, my parents think the same thing, even though their political ideologies tend to be different than yours.

Its becoming more and more obvious. I wonder if this was the plan all along or an unintended result.

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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 25 October 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:



Its becoming more and more obvious. I wonder if this was the plan all along or an unintended result.

Trump absolutely hammering Hillary and Obama/Obamacare at the same time right now at a rally. Most news networks are covering it.
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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 25 October 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

Its becoming more and more obvious. I wonder if this was the plan all along or an unintended result.

Given Obama's goal of moving this country closer and closer to socialism...it was probably the plan all along.
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So, this election defines his Legacy. Trump's election is a complete and utter rebuke of Obama style governing. A few points

1) In 2008, he had a majority in the House and Senate. In 2010, he lost both houses to Republicans and even more in 2012.
2) His social agenda has completely fallen out of favor
3) The country has been looking for a leader with vision, not a campaigner who cannot get along with anyone.
4) His "robust" economy is simply a farce. Little GDP growth and a falsified job report on a monthly basis. Does anyone really feel like we have recovered from the 2008 recession?

It seems the only person Obama helped was Obama. There is no Democrat coat-tail riding that has gone on since 2008. Maybe its time for the Dems to re-evaluate their agenda, as well as Republicans.

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I'll give him this at least, as bad as this is for him right now, he is saying and doing all the right things today.
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View PostMike_The_Golfer, on 09 November 2016 - 01:20 PM, said:

I'll give him this at least, as bad as this is for him right now, he is saying and doing all the right things today.

He's always been a great campaigner and actor. Look at how he campaigned for Hillary, a person he is known to have a frosty relationship with.

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If he Obama cared about this country he would put his legacy and his pride aside and do what is right for American. Who cares about his legacy - America First!
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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 09 November 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

So, this election defines his Legacy. Trump's election is a complete and utter rebuke of Obama style governing. A few points

1) In 2008, he had a majority in the House and Senate. In 2010, he lost both houses to Republicans and even more in 2012.
2) His social agenda has completely fallen out of favor
3) The country has been looking for a leader with vision, not a campaigner who cannot get along with anyone.
4) His "robust" economy is simply a farce. Little GDP growth and a falsified job report on a monthly basis. Does anyone really feel like we have recovered from the 2008 recession?

It seems the only person Obama helped was Obama. There is no Democrat coat-tail riding that has gone on since 2008. Maybe its time for the Dems to re-evaluate their agenda, as well as Republicans.

I actually think the next four years will define Obama's legacy. Think about it--Trump will probably undo a number of things Obama did. If he undoes much of what Obama did and things go well, then that is a repudiation of Obama. On the other hand, if he undoes a lot of what Obama did and we tailspin into recession, then Obama looks to be in the right while the ones before and after him look to be in the wrong.
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View Postthundersleet, on 13 November 2016 - 07:15 AM, said:

I actually think the next four years will define Obama's legacy. Think about it--Trump will probably undo a number of things Obama did. If he undoes much of what Obama did and things go well, then that is a repudiation of Obama. On the other hand, if he undoes a lot of what Obama did and we tailspin into recession, then Obama looks to be in the right while the ones before and after him look to be in the wrong.

Maybe, but its clear that the Obama name and policy only helps him. He has not been able to lend his "fame"/politics into other races for Congress and have it translate into success. Every popular President had long coat tails where their popularity pulled their party along in other races. He and his party have watched seats disappear for the past 8 years and it continues today with the Presidency.

That is a firm rebuke of him, his policies and his leadership.

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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 15 November 2016 - 03:35 PM, said:

Maybe, but its clear that the Obama name and policy only helps him. He has not been able to lend his "fame"/politics into other races for Congress and have it translate into success. Every popular President had long coat tails where their popularity pulled their party along in other races. He and his party have watched seats disappear for the past 8 years and it continues today with the Presidency.

That is a firm rebuke of him, his policies and his leadership.

That's actually not true...

Not Bill Clinton--He was popular and he had a Dem Congress most of his presidency.
Not Reagan--Congress was Democratic during his presidency.
Not Eisenhower--Congress was Democratic (I think) during his presidency.
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View Postthundersleet, on 15 November 2016 - 07:06 PM, said:



That's actually not true...

Not Bill Clinton--He was popular and he had a Dem Congress most of his presidency.
Not Reagan--Congress was Democratic during his presidency.
Not Eisenhower--Congress was Democratic (I think) during his presidency.

Point is Obama started with a Democratic majority and lost it election after election. If he so popular and people like the direction and policy, he would have kept that majority, not lost it.

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Classic Obama administration. The veterans of Pearl Harbor should put their feelings aside for the greater good of America. I think the vets already gave it all for the greater good of America. When Japan formally apologizes for the attack and the atrocities they committed, then vets can be asked to forgive. I guess only Barack Obama goes around the world an apologizes for the US.

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My guess is over the next few weeks, Obama will plant land mines all over so they blow up on a Trump administration. Two recent events lead me to this. 1) The Arctic ban on oil drilling. While we ban it, Russia is taking all the drilling rights. You know, the same Russia that "interfered" in our elections. 2) The UN abstainment on Israel vote, turning our backs on 50 years of support for the country. Its a classic "let someone else deal with it move". hey, he's on a 3 week vacation, lets not bother him.

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Police deaths are up 56% in 2016, yet all we hear about is unjustified police shootings. While I do not dispute the fact that those exist, there is relative silence around police being killed. Sure, when 5 Dallas cops are killed, it makes headlines, but when an officer is killed in a random city, there is silence. And in neither case does our President feel the need to comment, call a prime time news conference or attend the funeral and lead the congregation in Amazing Grace. Obama will be viewed as a president who chose to focus on serving blacks and minorities (to an extent) rather than for all Americans, which by definition, is racist.




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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 24 December 2016 - 09:14 AM, said:

My guess is over the next few weeks, Obama will plant land mines all over so they blow up on a Trump administration. Two recent events lead me to this. 1) The Arctic ban on oil drilling. While we ban it, Russia is taking all the drilling rights. You know, the same Russia that "interfered" in our elections. 2) The UN abstainment on Israel vote, turning our backs on 50 years of support for the country. Its a classic "let someone else deal with it move". hey, he's on a 3 week vacation, lets not bother him.
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