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I don't believe the 4th floor thing but I still don't see the muzzle fire from 32nd either.
I also don't understand how the gun fire is louder than the concert? unless someone else was firing from the concert itself?
idk

additionally, what happened to the guard that got shot (now before the attack)
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View Postsatellite_eyes, on 10 October 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

I don't buy the conspiracy theories and the gun laws are ridiculous imo. I have no problem with someone owning a gun to protect themselves but the stuff you can buy easily in SC is ridiculous.

Here is your second shooter evidence: https://www.youtube....h?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

If your not going to put in the time to do the research then I cant help you.
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View Postwishcast_hater, on 11 October 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:



Here is your second shooter evidence: https://www.youtube....h?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

If your not going to put in the time to do the research then I cant help you.
wow
basic physics
assuming all input information is correct, seems legit.
I didn't hear him say anything erroneous with basic physics principles


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View Postwishcast_hater, on 11 October 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

Here is your second shooter evidence: https://www.youtube....h?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

If your not going to put in the time to do the research then I cant help you.

I really dont have 30 minutes, can you summarize?

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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 11 October 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:



I really dont have 30 minutes, can you summarize?
basically uses physics and analyzes the sounds from guns and bullets to ascertain that one segment of the sound does come from the hotel. there is another segment which would put a second gun at half the distance to hotel. gives certain areas within that distance where a shooter could have been(one of which could have shot paddock with a sniper shot imo.
the physics parts seem correct.
I personally don't know if other factors are such as types of bullets and the analyzing itself of the noise.


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View Postvascudave, on 11 October 2017 - 01:34 PM, said:


basically uses physics and analyzes the sounds from guns and bullets to ascertain that one segment of the sound does come from the hotel. there is another segment which would put a second gun at half the distance to hotel. gives certain areas within that distance where a shooter could have been(one of which could have shot paddock with a sniper shot imo.
the physics parts seem correct.
I personally don't know if other factors are such as types of bullets and the analyzing itself of the noise.
I wonder how echoes are accounted for. There are a lot of buildings around.
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Echoes, switching windows on sides of building. Weapons calibers and the cracking from bullets wizzing by plays a huge part in sounds. Very easily can confuse them all together for multiple guns going off.


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View Postnyrangers1022, on 11 October 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

Echoes, switching windows on sides of building. Weapons calibers and the cracking from bullets wizzing by plays a huge part in sounds. Very easily can confuse them all together for multiple guns going off.

This guy is a forensic specialist in ballistics and sound analysis in regards to gunfire. What he described in the video was amazing. I believe he did bring up the echo factor and that does NOT interfere with trying to triangulate the origin. He actually mentioned that if he had a few more videos filmed at different areas he could get the exact spot of the second shooter. He pretty much said the FBI dropped the ball or is purposely putting out a false narrative despite evidence to the contrary.
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View Postwishcast_hater, on 11 October 2017 - 05:26 PM, said:



This guy is a forensic specialist in ballistics and sound analysis in regards to gunfire. What he described in the video was amazing. I believe he did bring up the echo factor and that does NOT interfere with trying to triangulate the origin. He actually mentioned that if he had a few more videos filmed at different areas he could get the exact spot of the second shooter. He pretty much said the FBI dropped the ball or is purposely putting out a false narrative despite evidence to the contrary.

I don't trust media or government and I am a natural skeptic. My motto is trust, but verify. With that, there were thousands of people there in perhaps the most camera laden city in America. Wouldn't someone have come forth and reported a person on the ground? Wouldn't a camera have verified it?

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View Postcarribeanpirate, on 11 October 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

I don't trust media or government and I am a natural skeptic. My motto is trust, but verify. With that, there were thousands of people there in perhaps the most camera laden city in America. Wouldn't someone have come forth and reported a person on the ground? Wouldn't a camera have verified it?

you would think someone would see something. Even guests in hotels in the area looking down at the chaos. I heard the police scanner audio, they said one shooter at Gate 7, but was never verified. With that many people, lights, sound, chaos, very easy to confuse where shots are coming from

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I wondered about the echos too, however wouldn't they just have the same lag time as he illustrated? he noted two different lag times which would make two different distances.

the physics seem dead on, so this would be the most legit scenario for two person shooter theory

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One thing that's scary about this shooter was the meticulousness of his planning. Did you guys hear about some of the calculations this guy did? It's insane. For all that people are like "this is so out of the blue," you have to wonder if this guy was living an undercover life for years where he was gaining all this knowledge so he could do something like this.
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Now that security guard that was shot PRIOR to the massacre canceled his interview and is now missing

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I don't put much stock in these websites, but it's worth a look

http://yournewswire....yewitness-dead/





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