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[metfan4life]

http://seaice.alaska...s/barrow_webcam

[jfar57]

metfan4life, on Sep 28 2010, 11:47 AM, said:

http://seaice.alaska...s/barrow_webcam

I love this cam

[icehater]

I haven't looked at the Fairbanks one in a while but they tore down almost all the buildings in it.

http://www.newsminer...pages/arcticcam

[icehater]

jfar57, on Sep 28 2010, 11:40 PM, said:

I love this cam

We get an inch of snow and it's usually gone in 24 hours or less (sometimes a lot less). They get an inch of snow and it's on the ground for 7-8 months. Their sun angle is not all that much different than ours when the first snow falls but they are losing about 20 minutes of sunlight each day right now I'd imagine. Their climate allows almost no change other than a gradual cooling each day as they are removed from the jet stream and it simply gets colder and colder with less and less sunlight. They simply accumulate 8-12" of snow from frequent snow showers at this time of year into early December as the season transistions to brutal cold. I caught a white-out squall on the webcam a year ago. Boring weather forecasts 365 days a year up there. Fairbanks can have bigger snowstorms, even severe T-storms with lightning strkes and a very rare tornado in summer, plus upper 90's heat as it is prone to so many more extremes. Barrow's maritime climate limits warmth in summer and I wonder if they ever get a T-storm up there. They'd need a south wind coming up from the interior to get 70ish temps in summer. Most of the summer they are probably in the 40's and it can probably snow up there in any month of the year. But I doubt it would accumulate in summer as temps would be marginal and the sun is high in the sky for at least 20 hours a day and of course it never sets.

[jfar57]

icehater, on Oct 7 2010, 11:09 AM, said:

We get an inch of snow and it's usually gone in 24 hours or less (sometimes a lot less). They get an inch of snow and it's on the ground for 7-8 months. Their sun angle is not all that much different than ours when the first snow falls but they are losing about 20 minutes of sunlight each day right now I'd imagine. Their climate allows almost no change other than a gradual cooling each day as they are removed from the jet stream and it simply gets colder and colder with less and less sunlight. They simply accumulate 8-12" of snow from frequent snow showers at this time of year into early December as the season transistions to brutal cold. I caught a white-out squall on the webcam a year ago. Boring weather forecasts 365 days a year up there. Fairbanks can have bigger snowstorms, even severe T-storms with lightning strkes and a very rare tornado in summer, plus upper 90's heat as it is prone to so many more extremes. Barrow's maritime climate limits warmth in summer and I wonder if they ever get a T-storm up there. They'd need a south wind coming up from the interior to get 70ish temps in summer. Most of the summer they are probably in the 40's and it can probably snow up there in any month of the year. But I doubt it would accumulate in summer as temps would be marginal and the sun is high in the sky for at least 20 hours a day and of course it never sets.

That has got to be just about as harsh a place to live as there can be, but still be considered habitable to some degree.

[metfan4life]

jfar57, on Oct 7 2010, 12:25 PM, said:

That has got to be just about as harsh a place to live as there can be, but still be considered habitable to some degree.

On the Weather Channel, they had a documentary on Barrow. They said that Barrow has one of the most suicide rates in the U.S.

[icehater]

metfan4life, on Oct 7 2010, 07:27 PM, said:

On the Weather Channel, they had a documentary on Barrow. They said that Barrow has one of the most suicide rates in the U.S.

Population is probably about 3500 so all they need is 1 or 2 for the record Ant. Seriously - how can anyone live there and why. Nothing can be produced and they need a plane a week just to bring in vital supplies.

[vascudave]

icehater, on Oct 1 2010, 11:21 PM, said:

I haven't looked at the Fairbanks one in a while but they tore down almost all the buildings in it.

http://www.newsminer...pages/arcticcam

must be from christies cutbacks

[icehater]

Here comes the ice covered ocean

http://seaice.alaska...s/barrow_webcam

[jfar57]

icehater, on Oct 26 2010, 04:31 PM, said:

Here comes the ice covered ocean

http://seaice.alaska...s/barrow_webcam

Lookin' nice and white in Barrow!!

[icehater]

jfar57, on Nov 22 2010, 08:42 PM, said:

Lookin' nice and white in Barrow!!

Icestorm in Fairbanks right now. When Fairbanks gets ice over snow this late in the season, while the pac NW has a snow set-up, something is wong with the weather pattern. low 30's overnight plunge to 20 below over the weekend. Going from freezing rain to 20 below in the only time frame (November and December) that you can accumulate snow in that area of the world would be very very frustrating to me.


INCLUDING...FAIRBANKS...FORT WAINWRIGHT...EIELSON AFB...ESTER...
NORTH POLE...MOOSE CREEK...TWO RIVERS...FOX...CHATANIKA...CHENA
HOT SPRINGS...SOURDOUGH CAMP
536 PM AKST TUE NOV 23 2010

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM AKST WEDNESDAY FOR
FREEZING RAIN...
.TONIGHT...FREEZING RAIN AND FOG. VERY POOR VISIBILITY AT TIMES.
TEMPERATURES 30 TO 35. LIGHT WINDS.
.WEDNESDAY...FREEZING RAIN AND FOG...MIXING WITH SNOW SHOWERS IN
THE AFTERNOON. TEMPERATURES AROUND 30. LIGHT WINDS.
.WEDNESDAY NIGHT...CLOUDY. SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS. LOWS 15 TO 25.
SOUTHWEST WINDS TO 10 MPH.
.THANKSGIVING DAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS.
TEMPERATURES FALLING TO 10 TO 20. SOUTHWEST WINDS TO 10 MPH.
.THURSDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS.
LOWS AROUND 5 ABOVE. WEST WINDS AROUND 10 MPH.
.FRIDAY...CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS. HIGHS NEAR
10 ABOVE.
.FRIDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS. LOWS
NEAR 10 BELOW.
.SATURDAY...CLOUDY. HIGHS NEAR 5 ABOVE.
.SATURDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY. LOWS NEAR 15 BELOW.
.SUNDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS NEAR 5 BELOW.
.SUNDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY. LOWS NEAR 20 BELOW.
.MONDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS NEAR 10 BELOW.
.MONDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY. LOWS NEAR 20 BELOW.
.TUESDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS NEAR 10 BELOW.

[jfar57]

icehater, on Nov 23 2010, 11:02 PM, said:

Icestorm in Fairbanks right now. When Fairbanks gets ice over snow this late in the season, while the pac NW has a snow set-up, something is wong with the weather pattern. low 30's overnight plunge to 20 below over the weekend. Going from freezing rain to 20 below in the only time frame (November and December) that you can accumulate snow in that area of the world would be very very frustrating to me.


INCLUDING...FAIRBANKS...FORT WAINWRIGHT...EIELSON AFB...ESTER...
NORTH POLE...MOOSE CREEK...TWO RIVERS...FOX...CHATANIKA...CHENA
HOT SPRINGS...SOURDOUGH CAMP
536 PM AKST TUE NOV 23 2010

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM AKST WEDNESDAY FOR
FREEZING RAIN...
.TONIGHT...FREEZING RAIN AND FOG. VERY POOR VISIBILITY AT TIMES.
TEMPERATURES 30 TO 35. LIGHT WINDS.
.WEDNESDAY...FREEZING RAIN AND FOG...MIXING WITH SNOW SHOWERS IN
THE AFTERNOON. TEMPERATURES AROUND 30. LIGHT WINDS.
.WEDNESDAY NIGHT...CLOUDY. SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS. LOWS 15 TO 25.
SOUTHWEST WINDS TO 10 MPH.
.THANKSGIVING DAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS.
TEMPERATURES FALLING TO 10 TO 20. SOUTHWEST WINDS TO 10 MPH.
.THURSDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS.
LOWS AROUND 5 ABOVE. WEST WINDS AROUND 10 MPH.
.FRIDAY...CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS. HIGHS NEAR
10 ABOVE.
.FRIDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS. LOWS
NEAR 10 BELOW.
.SATURDAY...CLOUDY. HIGHS NEAR 5 ABOVE.
.SATURDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY. LOWS NEAR 15 BELOW.
.SUNDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS NEAR 5 BELOW.
.SUNDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY. LOWS NEAR 20 BELOW.
.MONDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS NEAR 10 BELOW.
.MONDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY. LOWS NEAR 20 BELOW.
.TUESDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY. HIGHS NEAR 10 BELOW.

but they are already frozen. I have NO idea what you guys talk about when you relate the science of the current variables that result in our weather. I love to read the detail of the long range forecase concepts and even the debate over what weather is reasonbly imminent. ( I also completely understand the frustration of JB's forecasts being so right all the time...in his mind....)

That said...its the ebb and flow of this weather in Barrow (as an example) that makes me wonder about impact to us in a couple of weeks. Major deviations tend to even out over time. they are clearly more extreme than us. Does their warmth replace the Seattle snow? Is it replaced by a month of extreme polar cold? Does that get unleashed to us to even things out..... I am just rambling....Thats why I love to read this stuff.

Seems to me that given our "susceptible" physics, this could be one of the least predictable years ever. Robbbs aughta love this one wrt long term forecast. I will go out on a limb and suggest that this year will again have two major events that get us close to normal snowfall, but be very, very up and down on temps and overall daily winter weather. (just out of my arse)

[satellite_eyes]

Good point Ice. So strange having ice storms in AK at the same time Seattle is in a deep freeze with a white Thanksgiving. Crazy stuff.

[icehater]

satellite_eyes, on Nov 24 2010, 07:42 AM, said:

Good point Ice. So strange having ice storms in AK at the same time Seattle is in a deep freeze with a white Thanksgiving. Crazy stuff.

Neraly an inch of rain in Fairbanks so far, so this is a massive precip event for them. If they had their normal late November arctic chill this would be a 30" snowstorm for them.

[icehater]

jfar57, on Nov 24 2010, 12:08 AM, said:

but they are already frozen. I have NO idea what you guys talk about when you relate the science of the current variables that result in our weather. I love to read the detail of the long range forecase concepts and even the debate over what weather is reasonbly imminent. ( I also completely understand the frustration of JB's forecasts being so right all the time...in his mind....)

That said...its the ebb and flow of this weather in Barrow (as an example) that makes me wonder about impact to us in a couple of weeks. Major deviations tend to even out over time. they are clearly more extreme than us. Does their warmth replace the Seattle snow? Is it replaced by a month of extreme polar cold? Does that get unleashed to us to even things out..... I am just rambling....Thats why I love to read this stuff.

Seems to me that given our "susceptible" physics, this could be one of the least predictable years ever. Robbbs aughta love this one wrt long term forecast. I will go out on a limb and suggest that this year will again have two major events that get us close to normal snowfall, but be very, very up and down on temps and overall daily winter weather. (just out of my arse)

What makes it so unusual Jfar, is that the storm flooding mid levels in central Alaska is very moist (up to 1" of rain now in Fairbanks area) and should be pushing up surging warm air along the pac NW coast and the Canadian west coast. As it turns out that Pac NW is staying chilly thanks to a CAD that develops off of a frigid HP east of Alaska. Within 24-36 hours the pac NW willl warm up while Fairbanks takes a massive plunge of 50-60 degrees.

[vascudave]

my buddy in bend, or was at 6*F this am with no heat in the house and snow on the ground!! fun times in the pac nw