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[wxtracker93]

The altercation took place in Livingston, NJ a few days ago between the owner of a shoe store and a skateboarder. I used to get my shoes from this guy.

[vascudave]

that dude is a 20 year old moron! his mommy and daddy probably give him whatever he wants and that is the result. i would be pissed too! good for the store owner.

[robbbs]

vascudave, on Nov 15 2010, 05:01 PM, said:

that dude is a 20 year old moron! his mommy and daddy probably give him whatever he wants and that is the result. i would be pissed too! good for the store owner.

Dave -- Sorry; miles apart on this one. The storeowner has issues that go far beyond a skate-boarder's damage. He needs mandatory anger management counseling. Thank goodness the skater handled it the way he did. BTW, if you think the storeowner did right and is ok, try cutting him off on the highway and see what happens to you next. The guy's a menace.

[vascudave]

robbbs, on Nov 15 2010, 02:26 PM, said:

Dave -- Sorry; miles apart on this one. The storeowner has issues that go far beyond a skate-boarder's damage. He needs mandatory anger management counseling. Thank goodness the skater handled it the way he did. BTW, if you think the storeowner did right and is ok, try cutting him off on the highway and see what happens to you next. The guy's a menace.

perhapse you may be right, but without knowing the complete history on how long or what attempts he has made in the past to solve the problem(police involvement) i cant make that judgement. the man says he is 20 years old and he acts like "dude whats ur problem" that in itself is disturbing to me.
if that was a 12 year old child, ok, but a 20 year old man! the man with the skateboard is my main issue with his total lack of given 2craps about anything but himself.
maybe this isn't the first encounter they have had, maybe the store owner has asked them to stop defacing other peoples property. don't knw based on the video alone, but sometimes people loose it if its ongoing. if this is the 1st time then he did go over the top for sure, but it doesn't appear to be that.

[icehater]

robbbs, on Nov 15 2010, 01:26 PM, said:

Dave -- Sorry; miles apart on this one. The storeowner has issues that go far beyond a skate-boarder's damage. He needs mandatory anger management counseling. Thank goodness the skater handled it the way he did. BTW, if you think the storeowner did right and is ok, try cutting him off on the highway and see what happens to you next. The guy's a menace.

The store owner is dangerous. D'ont want to be near him when a match is lit. But what did the kid do, ruin the bush with a skate board or try to steal it? He's no angel either as he seemed to have little to no respect for things others owned. I can easily imagine this kid doing grafitti damage to things others own. It was only under intense pressure that he agreed to pay for the bush.

[vascudave]

icehater, on Nov 15 2010, 03:14 PM, said:

The store owner is dangerous. D'ont want to be near him when a match is lit. But what did the kid do, ruin the bush with a skate board or try to steal it? He's no angel either as he seemed to have little to no respect for things others owned. I can easily imagine this kid doing grafitti damage to things others own. It was only under intense pressure that he agreed to pay for the bush.

it appears the man with the skateboard pulled the bush out to make room for him to jump through.

[icehater]

vascudave, on Nov 15 2010, 03:03 PM, said:

it appears the man with the skateboard pulled the bush out to make room for him to jump through.

Well that's also arrogance and no respect for other peoples property.

[robbbs]

So the skateboarder pulled the bush out; he's not a murderer. He did wrong and should pay for it. However, the storeowner was ready to beat him to a pulp, over a bush? I don't care how many bushes were vandalized, the guy's behaviour showed too much anger and an unstable side. He must be a real joy for someone to live with, and I hope none of us run into him on the highway.

[icehater]

robbbs, on Nov 15 2010, 03:31 PM, said:

So the skateboarder pulled the bush out; he's not a murderer. He did wrong and should pay for it. However, the storeowner was ready to beat him to a pulp, over a bush? I don't care how many bushes were vandalized, the guy's behaviour showed too much anger and an unstable side. He must be a real joy for someone to live with, and I hope none of us run into him on the highway.

Completely agree but the kid has to learn that he can not do whatever he wants also.

[robbbs]

icehater, on Nov 15 2010, 08:38 PM, said:

Completely agree but the kid has to learn that he can not do whatever he wants also.

Agree with that. The guy should have left the police handle it. If the skater removed the bush to use the area as a ramp rather than as an act of random vandalism, he probably would have stayed for a while anyway, allowing the police time to arrive. But I find the storeowner more unstable than the skater.

[rgwp96]

seems staged and the store owners a really bad actor

[jfar57]

rgwp96, on Nov 15 2010, 04:05 PM, said:

seems staged and the store owners a really bad actor

I agree. Curious camera work too. none of it makes sense If the camera was with the boarder, you think there would have been reaction when the owner went nuts. At first I thought it was stationary and the boarders, but of course it moved. It sure would be dumb if it was the storeowner.

[devilsfan0405]

icehater, on Nov 15 2010, 03:38 PM, said:

Completely agree but the kid has to learn that he can not do whatever he wants also.

Absolutely. I don't agree with the guy going off, but I understand his frustration. I think people are getting fed up with those who feel that the world is their playground and are entitled to do whatever they want on a whim. Also, what is a 20-year old doing this crap for? As someone else pointed out, he's not exactly a little kid anymore. At face value, it appears that this young man needs some direction in his life.

[robbbs]

devilsfan0405, on Nov 16 2010, 01:29 AM, said:

Absolutely. I don't agree with the guy going off, but I understand his frustration. I think people are getting fed up with those who feel that the world is their playground and are entitled to do whatever they want on a whim. Also, what is a 20-year old doing this crap for? As someone else pointed out, he's not exactly a little kid anymore. At face value, it appears that this young man needs some direction in his life.

I don't know; maybe a bit harsh. I see nothing wrong in a 20 year old skate-boarding. This took place in the evening and for all we know, the guy may be a student and this was after school or on a weekend. The vandalism is another matter but I really don't view this as such a henious act. Wrong -- yes, and he should pay. But I think to make this a bigger matter than it really was is somewhat silly. BTW, as for the skate-boarding, I spent much of my youth on ski slopes and even dodged school on ocassion to do so. Again, not defending the guy for what he did -- that was dead wrong, and he should be skate-boarding in a park and not in a shopping strip. But his reaction and manner was light years more intelligent and mature than the store-owner -- who's not someone I'd ever want any contact with. The store-owner's psycho mode is the main take-away in this story.

[winterscool]

Any mature adult would have to look at it this way. I have had some teenagers cross my property for short cuts and want to let them know I want them to stop, but I do it in a nice but assertive way. They will understand their wrong doing and respect you more for that. I have seen other types of incidences when people act like that store owner and a few buddies come back the next day and get revenge. I remember as a teenager running around ringing doorbells at 2:00 AM with friends and got caught by one huge homeowner. He was so cool though, explaining how he usually works nights and how his wife and kids would have been scared if he wasn't home. We all apologized and realized what a bunch of d-bags we were and would go out of the way to say hello to the guy after that.

[wxtracker93]

When I first watch the video, I did suspect that it may have been faked. The camera angle seemed too planned out. But if you search Youtube for the same title, there are other copies of the video which are slightly longer and show the Livingston Police showing up and officers talking to the store owner. My guess would be that either the person filming the skateboarder was filming stunts and then continued rolling, or when they saw the store owner coming towards them they decided to go along and video tape the impending confrontation. The fact that the guy behind the camera didn't jump in did make me curious, but not everyone would have jumped in at that point, or at all. Again, maybe he just wanted to get the guy on tape.

I personally think the store owner's comportment was embarrassing. He should have (could have) gotten their info, even taken a picture of them, and called the police. I can understand his buildup of anger considering he was dealing with the problem for a while and finally caught a perpetrator, but still. Whether the skateboarder was 16 or 60, societal expectations would dictate that his behavior was way inappropriate. Some people are just not able to exercise self control when overcome with anger, though.

Quite frankly, after the second or third time, the guy was a fool for replanting the bush. I have a friend who goes to Livingston High School. I'll have to ask her what people are saying about it there.

[Jimrin1967]

The store owner is immortalized as a complete tool.

[vascudave]

i give the guy credit for not punching the man with the skate board. seems to me the owner has been walked on for some time now. sure he lost it but didn't lay a hand on the kid, he calmed down a bit after a while. without knowing what the owner has been through how can anyone judge?? maybe he is losing his buisness due to the economy? i don't know. the facts as presented.. owner has been replacing said landscaping a few times. the man skatebording(yes man as he said he was 20) said he pulled out the bush. skate border seemed to be a bit of a smart azz(but maybe his reaction was from guy) still man with board should know better. owner asked if he knew about skate park and man border did. so imo to judge owner as a complete psycho to society seems premature. seems now a days its always the person that does something wrong that gets benefit of doubt before the victim does....i don't get it?

[wxtracker93]

vascudave, on Nov 16 2010, 10:23 AM, said:

i give the guy credit for not punching the man with the skate board. seems to me the owner has been walked on for some time now. sure he lost it but didn't lay a hand on the kid, he calmed down a bit after a while. without knowing what the owner has been through how can anyone judge?? maybe he is losing his buisness due to the economy? i don't know. the facts as presented.. owner has been replacing said landscaping a few times. the man skatebording(yes man as he said he was 20) said he pulled out the bush. skate border seemed to be a bit of a smart azz(but maybe his reaction was from guy) still man with board should know better. owner asked if he knew about skate park and man border did. so imo to judge owner as a complete psycho to society seems premature. seems now a days its always the person that does something wrong that gets benefit of doubt before the victim does....i don't get it?

That doesn't excuse the owner laying his hands on the skateboarder and shouting profanities at him on the sidewalk. I might feel some sympathy for the store owner's frustration, but no one is entitled to that sort of behavior towards another individual. That's my personal belief. I know others feel differently.

[vascudave]

wxtracker93, on Nov 16 2010, 11:34 AM, said:

That doesn't excuse the owner laying his hands on the skateboarder and shouting profanities at him on the sidewalk. I might feel some sympathy for the store owner's frustration, but no one is entitled to that sort of behavior towards another individual. That's my personal belief. I know others feel differently.

imo thats the problem with the video age, your judging based on what is shown here without knowing what happened before. we don't know if this guy has been pushed for years, maybe from the same kid? maybe this guy does it all the time...no one knows(including myself) but maybe the guy just had enough. maybe looking at the video the owner himself may feel he overreacted. i have looked back at certain situations i have been involved with and thought i could have handled things different. gotta look at the whole story here..bottom line this man border was commiting a crime in the first place there would be no video, and that is the whole point i'm trying to address here. sure its just a bush but this goes on in different levels of crime too, the person doing the crime get more leeway than the victim...again, i don't get? guess i'll be the minority and side with the victims rather than the criminal(no matter what level of crime).