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[weatherbowl]

The latest Zogby poll (the only poll that got it correct 4 yrs. ago) has Obama leading 49-43. Still a close race. I think it will remain close but I feel Obama will win.

[vascudave]

just great!

[LongIslandWthr]

Would you really want Palin leading our country if Mccain has a heart attack?

[vascudave]

longislandwthr, on Oct 15 2008, 06:30 AM, said:

Would you really want Palin leading our country if Mccain has a heart attack?

he has heart problems? his mother is 96 and he's survived more brutality than most people would even consider, so that argument is weak imo. on the other hand do i want someone with ties that obama has...no. but again we are left with weak choices.

[lab94]

[devilsfan0405]

Both tickets leave quite a bit to be desired IMHO. I still don't completely trust Obama and I think Biden is a bit of a clown, but Palin also scares me. The phrase "Pull the lever and hold your nose" was never more appropriate.

[vascudave]

for those with daughters

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08287/91958...d=elections.xml

[Stormchaser]

vascudave, on Oct 15 2008, 07:53 AM, said:

he has heart problems? his mother is 96 and he's survived more brutality than most people would even consider, so that argument is weak imo. on the other hand do i want someone with ties that obama has...no. but again we are left with weak choices.

Obama's resume is no better than Palin's from my point of view. Secondly the former's lack of experience is worrisome to me. Not only that but Obama's ties with the pharmaceutical industry and beliefs regarding governmental mandates (vaccines included) make me want to vomit in my own mouth. I'm one of the many hoping McCain kicks serious you know what in tonight's debate.

[metfan4life]

I hope Obama doesn't come out. If he does, then we will be doomed.

[robbbs]

Stormchaser, on Oct 15 2008, 09:53 PM, said:

Obama's resume is no better than Palin's from my point of view. Secondly the former's lack of experience is worrisome to me. Not only that but Obama's ties with the pharmaceutical industry and beliefs regarding governmental mandates (vaccines included) make me want to vomit in my own mouth. I'm one of the many hoping McCain kicks serious you know what in tonight's debate.

Storm -- Obama is an elder statesman compared to Palin (then again, almost anyone would be compared to her). We have a right to disagree, but this is not about kicking you know what in a debate. You and I are obviously supporting different candidates in this election, and probably for vastly different reasons. That's ok.

[NittanyLion]

Storm in regards to your vaccines concern:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/...nes_and_autism/

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Obama Cites Link Between Vaccines and Autism Alex Knapp | Tuesday, April 22, 2008


Ugh. It appears that Barack Obama has joined the John McCain bandwagon in suggesting that there may be a link between vaccines and autism, science to the contrary be damned!
“We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.”


Of course, as the article linked to this statement points out, the science is, in fact, quite conclusive on this issue. Given the very real dangers of not vaccinating children, this kind of non-scientific scaremongering goes beyond normal political pandering and into the danger zone. Both Obama and McCain ought to be ashamed about this. Of course, they won’t be, since the surgical removal of one’s sense of shame is part of the orientation training for your first week in the U.S. Senate. But it would be nice if their advisors would advise them to at least appear ashamed.

And here are Obama and Clinton stances on Autism research:
http://www.ageofauti...-and-clint.html

[Stormchaser]

robbbs, on Oct 15 2008, 07:01 PM, said:

Storm -- Obama is an elder statesman compared to Palin (then again, almost anyone would be compared to her). We have a right to disagree, but this is not about kicking you know what in a debate. You and I are obviously supporting different candidates in this election, and probably for vastly different reasons. That's ok.

Robbbs -- you could definitely be right with the first statement; my primary concern with Obama as stated is his tendency for governmental mandates rather than more choice to the people. I agree with Obama on some issues, but his stance on vaccines really prevents me from voting for him.

Nittany - thanks for the article. Everything I've read seems to contradict that one.

Either way the author of that article is about as biased as one can be IMO.

[vascudave]

obama supporters.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=194983

[satellite_eyes]

vascudave, on Oct 15 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

obama supporters.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=194983

http://www.nj.com/printer/printer.ssf?/bas....xml&coll=1

[Jimrin1967]

weatherbowl, on Oct 14 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

The latest Zogby poll (the only poll that got it correct 4 yrs. ago) has Obama leading 49-43. Still a close race. I think it will remain close but I feel Obama will win.

6 points is not a close race.

[Stormchaser]

Well this confirms my thoughts regarding Obama's stance on autism.

Tonight's quotes:

Obama: "We likely won't have enough funds for the autism issue."

McCain: "This is something that needs to be dealt with immediately, research needs to go towards the causes of autism ."


Obama's statement just lost him a ton of voters who have been personally affected by the autism epidemic. Amazing how he can say we can't put any money into this problem. It's obvious to me he's in bed with the pharmaceutical industry.

[robbbs]

Stormchaser, on Oct 16 2008, 02:03 AM, said:

Well this confirms my thoughts regarding Obama's stance on autism.

Tonight's quotes:

Obama: "We likely won't have enough funds for the autism issue."

McCain: "This is something that needs to be dealt with immediately, research needs to go towards the causes of autism ."


Obama's statement just lost him a ton of voters who have been personally affected by the autism epidemic. Amazing how he can say we can't put any money into this problem. It's obvious to me he's in bed with the pharmaceutical industry.

Strom -- With all due respect, sincerely and with most respect, this is not even considered an issue in comparison to what's faciimg the nation, The economy, taxes, jobs lossrs, 401k value crashes, the war (and even that has taken a back seat). Don't take this the wrong way, but if Obama loses a ton of voters over this, he'll not even notice it. It's not a deal breaker and my suggestion would be to work on him after he's predident. As for McCain's line about more reseacrh is needed, that's the political brush-off line when they're not saying or promising anything. In political-speak, it's the equivalent of saying: I don't know or I don't have an opinion. That goes with the check's in the mail.

[Stormchaser]

robbbs, on Oct 16 2008, 12:52 AM, said:

Strom -- With all due respect, sincerely and with most respect, this is not even considered an issue in comparison to what's faciimg the nation, The economy, taxes, jobs lossrs, 401k value crashes, the war (and even that has taken a back seat). Don't take this the wrong way, but if Obama loses a ton of voters over this, he'll not even notice it. It's not a deal breaker and my suggestion would be to work on him after he's predident. As for McCain's line about more reseacrh is needed, that's the political brush-off line when they're not saying or promising anything. In political-speak, it's the equivalent of saying: I don't know or I don't have an opinion. That goes with the check's in the mail.

Robbbs,

Don't get me wrong here -- those are very important issues which you mentioned. But I disagree with Obama's stance on a few other points, not just the vaccine mandates/autism, etc.

However, the truth is autism has become a nationwide epidemic, affecting hundreds of thousands of people -- from permanent neurological disorders, to asthma, autism, and death. This is becoming more common and will expand in coverage exponentially if the government continues to remain "blissfully unaware" and refuse to even acknowledge the plethora of poor folks suffering from this. This issue to me is just as crucial as the economy, the war, and job losses, although one wouldn't realize this by listening to the media and presidential debates. It's a shame the autism epidemic has taken a back seat in debates because its "too controversial to discuss." Anyway -- this will be something that'll gain importance in the eyes of the government sooner or later, as you can't get rid of your problems simply by ignoring them.

Believe me -- I'm not attatched to either party. If Al Gore was running in this election, no doubt I would've voted for him over McCain. I would probably have even chosen Clinton over McCain if she was in the race. But many of Obama's positions just don't sit well with me, besides the fact that he has a somewhat limited resume from my POV. So let's just say agree to disagree on that point.

[weatherbowl]

robbbs, on Oct 16 2008, 12:52 AM, said:

Strom -- With all due respect, sincerely and with most respect, this is not even considered an issue in comparison to what's faciimg the nation, The economy, taxes, jobs lossrs, 401k value crashes, the war (and even that has taken a back seat). Don't take this the wrong way, but if Obama loses a ton of voters over this, he'll not even notice it. It's not a deal breaker and my suggestion would be to work on him after he's predident. As for McCain's line about more reseacrh is needed, that's the political brush-off line when they're not saying or promising anything. In political-speak, it's the equivalent of saying: I don't know or I don't have an opinion. That goes with the check's in the mail.

I think one of the worst things the Democrats can do at this point is become to confident.

[robbbs]

Storm -- I agree with your viewpoints. My only point was that it will not stand out as an issue for voters. However, I support your side of the topic.