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Anyone else step outside and notice this tonight -- bright vertical columns moving across the sky. Looked like the remnant of an aurora to me. There's nothing else it could be as my area is pitch black thus no city lights. Also a slight orange hue in the Northeast sky.
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have you been drinking tonight storm?LOL jk ill go out and see if i see it over here.
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storm is it cloudy by you?its cloudy here and i dont see anything.
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Is it Yellowish? If it is, than I saw the same thing that you saw in the sky.
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 10:05 PM
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metfan4life, on Nov 19 2008, 10:02 PM, said:
Is it li Yellowish? If it is, than I saw the same thing that you saw in the sky.
Yes, almost like someone's shining a spotlight in numerous places in the sky. But they were moving.
Not sure if you can see them anymore as the clouds are moving in. They were easily visible 30 minutes ago.
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Stormchaser, on Nov 19 2008, 09:53 PM, said:
Anyone else step outside and notice this tonight -- bright vertical columns moving across the sky. Looked like the remnant of an aurora to me. There's nothing else it could be as my area is pitch black thus no city lights. Also a slight orange hue in the Northeast sky.
Nothing but clouds here. I was intending to look at Andromeda - best views of it are mid November - thru binoculars tonite but saw the clouds and didn't bother.
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 10:11 PM
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icehater, on Nov 19 2008, 10:07 PM, said:
Nothing but clouds here. I was intending to look at Andromeda - best views of it are mid November - thru binoculars tonite but saw the clouds and didn't bother.
If you weren't outside between 7-930pm than you may have missed them as it's cloudy here too. Very strange. People have been calling into the weather service about it. A possible explanation given by a Mt. Holly meteorologist was aircraft light. But the scattered nature of the columns and the persistent movement seemed more reminiscent of a dying aurora to me.
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I see that here in the Bronx too. Its like white circles moving in like a triangular motion.
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 10:33 PM
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Well, no one seems to have any idea what this is so I'll go with my guess of aurora remnant. Wish I brought out the camera earlier but then again it was so dark, it may not have caught them.
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Here's some pics of what it looked like from PHL news site.
Scroll through the slideshow on the bottom:
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/gallery?sectio...386&photo=1
Simply amazing. Never seen anything like it. There's no other explanation but aurora related.
Scroll through the slideshow on the bottom:
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/gallery?sectio...386&photo=1
Simply amazing. Never seen anything like it. There's no other explanation but aurora related.
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Stormchaser, on Nov 19 2008, 10:56 PM, said:
Here's some pics of what it looked like from PHL news site.
Scroll through the slideshow on the bottom:
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/gallery?sectio...386&photo=1
Simply amazing. Never seen anything like it. There's no other explanation but aurora related.
Scroll through the slideshow on the bottom:
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/gallery?sectio...386&photo=1
Simply amazing. Never seen anything like it. There's no other explanation but aurora related.
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Wow...i will check it out right now. Could it be because of the very dry/cold conditions in the ionosphere ...allowing for static energy to form? I have no idea. I am going outside with my shorts right now...hopefully it is still around...
MY THEORY-PATTERN CLAIM:
STRONG TROUGH--COASTAL STORM--WINTER STORM POTENTIAL FOR THE MID-ATLANTIC/NORTHEAST FROM 12/9-12/13 (avg 12/11)
A PATTERN IS A PATTERN...IT REPEATS ITSELF!!!!!
Generally speaking,
A tropical entity marks a new cycle of the same pattern. (Kyle, Omar, Paloma, Invest 96L)
Just take the day a pronounced-remote tropical entity formed, find the difference between that tropical entity and the entity that formed in the last cycle.
So you have...
1)
START DATE:
Weak-Invest 96L (11/24 to 11/28, to be safe...because usually each tropical entity marks a warming trend in the EAST) and then Paloma (11/5)
28-5= + 23
24-5= + 19
2)
THE EVENT DATE (END OF CYCLE):
The benchmark/date for the event that you are trying to find...which is 10/28/08- This is when we had that strong coastal/ some snow and that strong trough...I am assuming that this is just a cycle in a pattern so something like this should happen again? Right? (started with 9/28/08..then 10/28....but I elaborated the pattern to 11/20/08) It did happen again.
I take 11/20/08- the date I came up with on November 3rd using my pattern...remember that I was generally right...we had very cold conditions...and we had a couple of coastal chances that resulted in a few snow showers...I will also assume that this event marks the end of a pattern.
-Now you just add the (positive) difference you found in step 1 to step 2 in order to find the next date of a similar storm:
(Start difference subtracted or added (in this case) to the event date)
20+23=13 of the next month or 12/13/08 TO
20+19=9th of the next month or 12/9/08
AVG DATE: 13+9/2= 22/2=11- December 11th, 2008 for the next coastal with cold air advection in the area.
Now what I am assuming here is that this pattern is progressive and moves at a constant rate from one month to the next; however, that is not always the case. The High/Ridge out west failed to move east, causing our 11/20 system to drift out to the east. This is considering that we had the cold air advection but we did not have enough warm air advection.
Also, one must note that the major changes is where everything forms because of the amount of cold air allotted. The monthly variations should tell that story. I also note that storms usually formed farther west and south with each passing month. Should that ring a bell? I mean think about it. Hurricanes form the same way...first they can form in the Atlantic, then the threat drifts to the east Caribbean by October, then to the deep-west Caribbean by November/December.
Anyways, in order to know if your cycle will move at the same pace as the one before...you must have an analog. I found similar features and pressure/temperature variations in late January 06 to February 11-12th as i did in Nov 5th to Nov 23...which brought me to the same general date-12/11 (using the 2/11 snowstorm as a benchmark)...It is the same date for a THREAT of a major storm/coastal with a strong trough present.
This is assuming that January 24 06 to February 11-12 is as cold as the November 24th- Dec 11-13th period ...and it is assuming that even though the
1/24/06-2/12/06 has differences with 11/5-11/23, it still managed to come to a similar result...Result for both analog period and November period: a strong trough and a coastal threat. Giving me some belief that there is a natural pattern present.
Now I am just using the long-range models (GFS) as guidance.
STRONG TROUGH--COASTAL STORM--WINTER STORM POTENTIAL FOR THE MID-ATLANTIC/NORTHEAST FROM 12/9-12/13 (avg 12/11)
A PATTERN IS A PATTERN...IT REPEATS ITSELF!!!!!
Generally speaking,
A tropical entity marks a new cycle of the same pattern. (Kyle, Omar, Paloma, Invest 96L)
Just take the day a pronounced-remote tropical entity formed, find the difference between that tropical entity and the entity that formed in the last cycle.
So you have...
1)
START DATE:
Weak-Invest 96L (11/24 to 11/28, to be safe...because usually each tropical entity marks a warming trend in the EAST) and then Paloma (11/5)
28-5= + 23
24-5= + 19
2)
THE EVENT DATE (END OF CYCLE):
The benchmark/date for the event that you are trying to find...which is 10/28/08- This is when we had that strong coastal/ some snow and that strong trough...I am assuming that this is just a cycle in a pattern so something like this should happen again? Right? (started with 9/28/08..then 10/28....but I elaborated the pattern to 11/20/08) It did happen again.
I take 11/20/08- the date I came up with on November 3rd using my pattern...remember that I was generally right...we had very cold conditions...and we had a couple of coastal chances that resulted in a few snow showers...I will also assume that this event marks the end of a pattern.
-Now you just add the (positive) difference you found in step 1 to step 2 in order to find the next date of a similar storm:
(Start difference subtracted or added (in this case) to the event date)
20+23=13 of the next month or 12/13/08 TO
20+19=9th of the next month or 12/9/08
AVG DATE: 13+9/2= 22/2=11- December 11th, 2008 for the next coastal with cold air advection in the area.
Now what I am assuming here is that this pattern is progressive and moves at a constant rate from one month to the next; however, that is not always the case. The High/Ridge out west failed to move east, causing our 11/20 system to drift out to the east. This is considering that we had the cold air advection but we did not have enough warm air advection.
Also, one must note that the major changes is where everything forms because of the amount of cold air allotted. The monthly variations should tell that story. I also note that storms usually formed farther west and south with each passing month. Should that ring a bell? I mean think about it. Hurricanes form the same way...first they can form in the Atlantic, then the threat drifts to the east Caribbean by October, then to the deep-west Caribbean by November/December.
Anyways, in order to know if your cycle will move at the same pace as the one before...you must have an analog. I found similar features and pressure/temperature variations in late January 06 to February 11-12th as i did in Nov 5th to Nov 23...which brought me to the same general date-12/11 (using the 2/11 snowstorm as a benchmark)...It is the same date for a THREAT of a major storm/coastal with a strong trough present.
This is assuming that January 24 06 to February 11-12 is as cold as the November 24th- Dec 11-13th period ...and it is assuming that even though the
1/24/06-2/12/06 has differences with 11/5-11/23, it still managed to come to a similar result...Result for both analog period and November period: a strong trough and a coastal threat. Giving me some belief that there is a natural pattern present.
Now I am just using the long-range models (GFS) as guidance.
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I did not see anything during my run but i did stumble on a shrub and almost killed myself...its pretty cold out...very refreshing though. Wooo...that felt good.
MY THEORY-PATTERN CLAIM:
STRONG TROUGH--COASTAL STORM--WINTER STORM POTENTIAL FOR THE MID-ATLANTIC/NORTHEAST FROM 12/9-12/13 (avg 12/11)
A PATTERN IS A PATTERN...IT REPEATS ITSELF!!!!!
Generally speaking,
A tropical entity marks a new cycle of the same pattern. (Kyle, Omar, Paloma, Invest 96L)
Just take the day a pronounced-remote tropical entity formed, find the difference between that tropical entity and the entity that formed in the last cycle.
So you have...
1)
START DATE:
Weak-Invest 96L (11/24 to 11/28, to be safe...because usually each tropical entity marks a warming trend in the EAST) and then Paloma (11/5)
28-5= + 23
24-5= + 19
2)
THE EVENT DATE (END OF CYCLE):
The benchmark/date for the event that you are trying to find...which is 10/28/08- This is when we had that strong coastal/ some snow and that strong trough...I am assuming that this is just a cycle in a pattern so something like this should happen again? Right? (started with 9/28/08..then 10/28....but I elaborated the pattern to 11/20/08) It did happen again.
I take 11/20/08- the date I came up with on November 3rd using my pattern...remember that I was generally right...we had very cold conditions...and we had a couple of coastal chances that resulted in a few snow showers...I will also assume that this event marks the end of a pattern.
-Now you just add the (positive) difference you found in step 1 to step 2 in order to find the next date of a similar storm:
(Start difference subtracted or added (in this case) to the event date)
20+23=13 of the next month or 12/13/08 TO
20+19=9th of the next month or 12/9/08
AVG DATE: 13+9/2= 22/2=11- December 11th, 2008 for the next coastal with cold air advection in the area.
Now what I am assuming here is that this pattern is progressive and moves at a constant rate from one month to the next; however, that is not always the case. The High/Ridge out west failed to move east, causing our 11/20 system to drift out to the east. This is considering that we had the cold air advection but we did not have enough warm air advection.
Also, one must note that the major changes is where everything forms because of the amount of cold air allotted. The monthly variations should tell that story. I also note that storms usually formed farther west and south with each passing month. Should that ring a bell? I mean think about it. Hurricanes form the same way...first they can form in the Atlantic, then the threat drifts to the east Caribbean by October, then to the deep-west Caribbean by November/December.
Anyways, in order to know if your cycle will move at the same pace as the one before...you must have an analog. I found similar features and pressure/temperature variations in late January 06 to February 11-12th as i did in Nov 5th to Nov 23...which brought me to the same general date-12/11 (using the 2/11 snowstorm as a benchmark)...It is the same date for a THREAT of a major storm/coastal with a strong trough present.
This is assuming that January 24 06 to February 11-12 is as cold as the November 24th- Dec 11-13th period ...and it is assuming that even though the
1/24/06-2/12/06 has differences with 11/5-11/23, it still managed to come to a similar result...Result for both analog period and November period: a strong trough and a coastal threat. Giving me some belief that there is a natural pattern present.
Now I am just using the long-range models (GFS) as guidance.
STRONG TROUGH--COASTAL STORM--WINTER STORM POTENTIAL FOR THE MID-ATLANTIC/NORTHEAST FROM 12/9-12/13 (avg 12/11)
A PATTERN IS A PATTERN...IT REPEATS ITSELF!!!!!
Generally speaking,
A tropical entity marks a new cycle of the same pattern. (Kyle, Omar, Paloma, Invest 96L)
Just take the day a pronounced-remote tropical entity formed, find the difference between that tropical entity and the entity that formed in the last cycle.
So you have...
1)
START DATE:
Weak-Invest 96L (11/24 to 11/28, to be safe...because usually each tropical entity marks a warming trend in the EAST) and then Paloma (11/5)
28-5= + 23
24-5= + 19
2)
THE EVENT DATE (END OF CYCLE):
The benchmark/date for the event that you are trying to find...which is 10/28/08- This is when we had that strong coastal/ some snow and that strong trough...I am assuming that this is just a cycle in a pattern so something like this should happen again? Right? (started with 9/28/08..then 10/28....but I elaborated the pattern to 11/20/08) It did happen again.
I take 11/20/08- the date I came up with on November 3rd using my pattern...remember that I was generally right...we had very cold conditions...and we had a couple of coastal chances that resulted in a few snow showers...I will also assume that this event marks the end of a pattern.
-Now you just add the (positive) difference you found in step 1 to step 2 in order to find the next date of a similar storm:
(Start difference subtracted or added (in this case) to the event date)
20+23=13 of the next month or 12/13/08 TO
20+19=9th of the next month or 12/9/08
AVG DATE: 13+9/2= 22/2=11- December 11th, 2008 for the next coastal with cold air advection in the area.
Now what I am assuming here is that this pattern is progressive and moves at a constant rate from one month to the next; however, that is not always the case. The High/Ridge out west failed to move east, causing our 11/20 system to drift out to the east. This is considering that we had the cold air advection but we did not have enough warm air advection.
Also, one must note that the major changes is where everything forms because of the amount of cold air allotted. The monthly variations should tell that story. I also note that storms usually formed farther west and south with each passing month. Should that ring a bell? I mean think about it. Hurricanes form the same way...first they can form in the Atlantic, then the threat drifts to the east Caribbean by October, then to the deep-west Caribbean by November/December.
Anyways, in order to know if your cycle will move at the same pace as the one before...you must have an analog. I found similar features and pressure/temperature variations in late January 06 to February 11-12th as i did in Nov 5th to Nov 23...which brought me to the same general date-12/11 (using the 2/11 snowstorm as a benchmark)...It is the same date for a THREAT of a major storm/coastal with a strong trough present.
This is assuming that January 24 06 to February 11-12 is as cold as the November 24th- Dec 11-13th period ...and it is assuming that even though the
1/24/06-2/12/06 has differences with 11/5-11/23, it still managed to come to a similar result...Result for both analog period and November period: a strong trough and a coastal threat. Giving me some belief that there is a natural pattern present.
Now I am just using the long-range models (GFS) as guidance.
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rgwp96, on Nov 19 2008, 11:26 PM, said:
yes there is. ice pillars
Yeah definately ice pillars.
http://scsuastronomy.com/2005/12/06/ice-pi...er-saint-cloud/
"Ice pillars form on cold winter nights when flat ice crystals floating near the surface of the earth. When artificial lights or the moon reflect off these crystals, the results are towers of light in the night."
Mike
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Elevation: 332 ft
Snowfall 2011-2012: 37.7"
Jonesville, VT
Elevation: 323 ft
Snowfall 2011-2012: 59.5"
The views expressed in this post are solely mine and do not necessarily reflect the views of the National Weather Service.
NWS Meteorologist
South Burlington, VT
Elevation: 332 ft
Snowfall 2011-2012: 37.7"
Jonesville, VT
Elevation: 323 ft
Snowfall 2011-2012: 59.5"
The views expressed in this post are solely mine and do not necessarily reflect the views of the National Weather Service.
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NittanyLion, on Nov 19 2008, 11:48 PM, said:
Yeah definately ice pillars.
http://scsuastronomy.com/2005/12/06/ice-pi...er-saint-cloud/
"Ice pillars form on cold winter nights when flat ice crystals floating near the surface of the earth. When artificial lights or the moon reflect off these crystals, the results are towers of light in the night."
http://scsuastronomy.com/2005/12/06/ice-pi...er-saint-cloud/
"Ice pillars form on cold winter nights when flat ice crystals floating near the surface of the earth. When artificial lights or the moon reflect off these crystals, the results are towers of light in the night."
MY THEORY-PATTERN CLAIM:
STRONG TROUGH--COASTAL STORM--WINTER STORM POTENTIAL FOR THE MID-ATLANTIC/NORTHEAST FROM 12/9-12/13 (avg 12/11)
A PATTERN IS A PATTERN...IT REPEATS ITSELF!!!!!
Generally speaking,
A tropical entity marks a new cycle of the same pattern. (Kyle, Omar, Paloma, Invest 96L)
Just take the day a pronounced-remote tropical entity formed, find the difference between that tropical entity and the entity that formed in the last cycle.
So you have...
1)
START DATE:
Weak-Invest 96L (11/24 to 11/28, to be safe...because usually each tropical entity marks a warming trend in the EAST) and then Paloma (11/5)
28-5= + 23
24-5= + 19
2)
THE EVENT DATE (END OF CYCLE):
The benchmark/date for the event that you are trying to find...which is 10/28/08- This is when we had that strong coastal/ some snow and that strong trough...I am assuming that this is just a cycle in a pattern so something like this should happen again? Right? (started with 9/28/08..then 10/28....but I elaborated the pattern to 11/20/08) It did happen again.
I take 11/20/08- the date I came up with on November 3rd using my pattern...remember that I was generally right...we had very cold conditions...and we had a couple of coastal chances that resulted in a few snow showers...I will also assume that this event marks the end of a pattern.
-Now you just add the (positive) difference you found in step 1 to step 2 in order to find the next date of a similar storm:
(Start difference subtracted or added (in this case) to the event date)
20+23=13 of the next month or 12/13/08 TO
20+19=9th of the next month or 12/9/08
AVG DATE: 13+9/2= 22/2=11- December 11th, 2008 for the next coastal with cold air advection in the area.
Now what I am assuming here is that this pattern is progressive and moves at a constant rate from one month to the next; however, that is not always the case. The High/Ridge out west failed to move east, causing our 11/20 system to drift out to the east. This is considering that we had the cold air advection but we did not have enough warm air advection.
Also, one must note that the major changes is where everything forms because of the amount of cold air allotted. The monthly variations should tell that story. I also note that storms usually formed farther west and south with each passing month. Should that ring a bell? I mean think about it. Hurricanes form the same way...first they can form in the Atlantic, then the threat drifts to the east Caribbean by October, then to the deep-west Caribbean by November/December.
Anyways, in order to know if your cycle will move at the same pace as the one before...you must have an analog. I found similar features and pressure/temperature variations in late January 06 to February 11-12th as i did in Nov 5th to Nov 23...which brought me to the same general date-12/11 (using the 2/11 snowstorm as a benchmark)...It is the same date for a THREAT of a major storm/coastal with a strong trough present.
This is assuming that January 24 06 to February 11-12 is as cold as the November 24th- Dec 11-13th period ...and it is assuming that even though the
1/24/06-2/12/06 has differences with 11/5-11/23, it still managed to come to a similar result...Result for both analog period and November period: a strong trough and a coastal threat. Giving me some belief that there is a natural pattern present.
Now I am just using the long-range models (GFS) as guidance.
STRONG TROUGH--COASTAL STORM--WINTER STORM POTENTIAL FOR THE MID-ATLANTIC/NORTHEAST FROM 12/9-12/13 (avg 12/11)
A PATTERN IS A PATTERN...IT REPEATS ITSELF!!!!!
Generally speaking,
A tropical entity marks a new cycle of the same pattern. (Kyle, Omar, Paloma, Invest 96L)
Just take the day a pronounced-remote tropical entity formed, find the difference between that tropical entity and the entity that formed in the last cycle.
So you have...
1)
START DATE:
Weak-Invest 96L (11/24 to 11/28, to be safe...because usually each tropical entity marks a warming trend in the EAST) and then Paloma (11/5)
28-5= + 23
24-5= + 19
2)
THE EVENT DATE (END OF CYCLE):
The benchmark/date for the event that you are trying to find...which is 10/28/08- This is when we had that strong coastal/ some snow and that strong trough...I am assuming that this is just a cycle in a pattern so something like this should happen again? Right? (started with 9/28/08..then 10/28....but I elaborated the pattern to 11/20/08) It did happen again.
I take 11/20/08- the date I came up with on November 3rd using my pattern...remember that I was generally right...we had very cold conditions...and we had a couple of coastal chances that resulted in a few snow showers...I will also assume that this event marks the end of a pattern.
-Now you just add the (positive) difference you found in step 1 to step 2 in order to find the next date of a similar storm:
(Start difference subtracted or added (in this case) to the event date)
20+23=13 of the next month or 12/13/08 TO
20+19=9th of the next month or 12/9/08
AVG DATE: 13+9/2= 22/2=11- December 11th, 2008 for the next coastal with cold air advection in the area.
Now what I am assuming here is that this pattern is progressive and moves at a constant rate from one month to the next; however, that is not always the case. The High/Ridge out west failed to move east, causing our 11/20 system to drift out to the east. This is considering that we had the cold air advection but we did not have enough warm air advection.
Also, one must note that the major changes is where everything forms because of the amount of cold air allotted. The monthly variations should tell that story. I also note that storms usually formed farther west and south with each passing month. Should that ring a bell? I mean think about it. Hurricanes form the same way...first they can form in the Atlantic, then the threat drifts to the east Caribbean by October, then to the deep-west Caribbean by November/December.
Anyways, in order to know if your cycle will move at the same pace as the one before...you must have an analog. I found similar features and pressure/temperature variations in late January 06 to February 11-12th as i did in Nov 5th to Nov 23...which brought me to the same general date-12/11 (using the 2/11 snowstorm as a benchmark)...It is the same date for a THREAT of a major storm/coastal with a strong trough present.
This is assuming that January 24 06 to February 11-12 is as cold as the November 24th- Dec 11-13th period ...and it is assuming that even though the
1/24/06-2/12/06 has differences with 11/5-11/23, it still managed to come to a similar result...Result for both analog period and November period: a strong trough and a coastal threat. Giving me some belief that there is a natural pattern present.
Now I am just using the long-range models (GFS) as guidance.
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rgwp96, on Nov 19 2008, 11:26 PM, said:
yes there is. ice pillars
The photos don't look like an aurora. I never heard of ice pillars till his post but RGW is right based on these items off the net.
http://www1.umn.edu/umnnews/Feature_Storie...rystals2C_.html
http://scsuastronomy.com/2005/12/06/ice-pi...er-saint-cloud/
http://www.fifedrum.org/rhinohug/album/ind...m=./ice_pillars
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 06:50 AM
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LongIslandWthr, on Nov 20 2008, 06:12 AM, said:
I think it is Chemtrails...
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Elevation 784'
11-12 SNOWFALL TO DATE 20.5"
09-10 Snowfall- 73.60" .....10-11 snowfall - 61.5"
07-08 snow total 39.45".. ...08-09 snowfall- 42.71"
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Lab's Radar
Elevation 784'
11-12 SNOWFALL TO DATE 20.5"
09-10 Snowfall- 73.60" .....10-11 snowfall - 61.5"
07-08 snow total 39.45".. ...08-09 snowfall- 42.71"
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 07:56 AM
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Having thought about it I'd say the virga theory makes the most sense. Snow showers were moving eastward in PA under mid/high level clouds. The air was too dry for these flakes to reach the surface, and there was also a clear sky to the east in PA/NJ in front of this virga. The moon was out last night, so the light from the moon refracted off the falling ice crystals, allowing us to see the pilla-like light columns. This makes sense as skies were mostly clear when I saw the columns in the western sky (in the direction of the snow showers). When it became overcast, the lights disappeared. It most likely wasn't ice pillars or auroras as they occur much higher latitutes.
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