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Thats right, winter may only have a week or two left in it. Todays latest Euro Weeklies/Euro Ensembles show a very warm coast-to-coast start to March for the lower 48. To make a long story short, very +EPO, very +AO, neutral PNA, neutral NAO, roaring Pacific jet, along with flat "high height" zonal flow, Pacific maritime air flooding across the lower 48.

But are these ensembles correct? As I posted in my "Post-Mortem" thread, the science of meteorology is quickly shifting to "modeology", and this is NOT GOOD people. Analyzing a model is great. But taking it face value and verbatim is usually not a good idea. What we need to do is look at what makes sense, not what the model shows.

Firstly, we need to look at the ENSO Region. As we all know, we endured a Weak to Moderate (it was officially classified as Moderate) El Nino through the beginning of the winter. In early December, we saw the El Nino max out. Since this time, the El Nino has been quickly freefalling to a point where we are almost into a La Nina pattern.

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The La Nina has a very strong teleconnection with a few major index's. A POSITIVE EPO, A NEGATIVE PNA, and a NEUTRAL TO POSITIVE NAO. Below, we can see that the index's are becoming extremely favorable for this.

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With these indicies, the Pattern across the CONUS Becomes extremely favorable for a few things. One being a trough in the west, and teleconnecting with this is a Southeast Ridge. Knowing all of this, we can tell that the mean storm track will be across the Central United States. What does this mean? It means that March will be a very active Severe Weather Month in the United States.

I still think that early March Starts out near average across the Eastern US. The rest of February will be cold. Anyway, here is my March Forecast for the CONUS.


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Bump for the daytime crowd.

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Mesocyclone,

No offense -- but your forecast seems like a carbon-copy of Chuck's call from eastern. What's your sn on eastern, BTW? Just curious.

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I collab with Chuck alot, and have been friends with him for years. We have similar thoughts on March. My forecast is nowhere near his level or consistency nor am I attempting to mirror his thoughts. Our maps and thoughts do differ in a few regions. No offense taken.

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Mesocyclone,

No offense -- but your forecast seems like a carbon-copy of Chuck's call from eastern. What's your sn on eastern, BTW? Just curious.

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Mesocyclone,

No offense -- but your forecast seems like a carbon-copy of Chuck's call from eastern. What's your sn on eastern, BTW? Just curious.

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Who are you on eastern?

Yes im earthlight. (Collabed w/ Merq a few times over this winter as well)

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OK then - time for me to rip apart your forecast. JK. I actually agree with most of it.

Several points:

1) Regarding the collapse of the el nino -- MEI readings have dropped significantly over the past couple months; certainly a neutral signal in the tropical pacific now. ENSO region 3.4 reached a peak of +1.4c back in mid December; rapidly declined to +1.0 by the first week of January and +0.5 by the latter part of Jan. Climatologically speaking, el ninos are followed by moderate-strong la nina's many times. Some examples:

- 1997-98 strong nino: 1998-99 strong nina.
- 1994-95 mod nino: 1995-96 weak nina.
- 1987-88 mod nino: 1988-89 strong nina.
- 2004-05 weak nino: 2005-06 weak nina (close-call, some sources say neutral for '05-06)
- 1982-83 strong nino: 1983-84 weak nina.
- 1972-73 strong nino: 1973-74 strong nina.
- 1969-70 weak nino: 1970-71 mod nina.
- 1963-64 weak nino: 1964-65 mod nina.

One can clearly see there's a tendency for la nina's following el nino's. Subsurface temperatures have been cooling quite a bit in the central pacific indicative of a potential reversal in trade winds down the road. A weak la nina is certainly in the process of developing; and this not only has implications for the spring/summer, but also the hurricane season. Strengthening la nina's during the spring coupled with a +AMO (warm phase Atlantic) and -PDO are historically active Atlantic seasons. I'm probably getting ahead of myself here -- but I'm ready to say right now this will be a more active than last tropical season, as well as above the mean of 11 named storms. Not making a call now as Dr. Gray got burned last year putting out an early forecast. The el nino developed quicker than anticipated, essentially shutting off the Cape Verde season.

2) With respect to this spring. We're transitioning into a more negative decadal regime in terms of the PDO and NAO. What this implies is a greater tendency for -PNA/PDO couplets and -AO/-NAO couplets similar to what we saw back in the late 40's through the late 70's. The neg PNA signal can mean ridging in the eastern US, but with a weakly neg ao/nao hanging tough into early March I have a difficult time seeing any blowtorch warmth in the NE US. For now I believe the major positive anomalies will be centered back in the Lakes and Plains per Euro ensembles and GFS enm. mean. The Northeast should see a brief moderation next week as I posted in my other thread, before heading back below average the end of this month. However, that below normal period should only last a week or tow (into early March) rather than the 4-6 week persistent cold since mid Jan. I generally agree with your ideas, especially the middle and llate part of March being above normal in the eastern US. Also -- with a develping nina -- severe weather season is typically active -- strong northern branch w/ numerous short-waves spells plenty of T-storm activity in the plains. I'm not going beyond March here as that's even more of a guessing game -- but March does appear at least +2 IMO in the eastern 1/3 of the nation.

3) Third factor going for an above normal temp March is ENSO climatology. Below is a map of all March's following mod ninos:

[img width=600 height=370]http://i9.tinypic.com/4fu9ik6.jpg[/img]

Above normal much of the northern CONUS. Precip agrees with the idea of below average in the East:

[img width=600 height=370]http://i9.tinypic.com/2vcxd9w.jpg[/img]

Bottom line is this -- for us snowlovers -- we need something through the end of this month or the first week of March. I'm thinking after the 7th-10th we flip into the new weak nina type pattern.

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VERY Nice post and i see we are on the same path as well.  Good to see :)

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Mesocyclone,

No offense -- but your forecast seems like a carbon-copy of Chuck's call from eastern. What's your sn on eastern, BTW? Just curious.

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Who are you on eastern?

Yes im earthlight. (Collabed w/ Merq a few times over this winter as well)


I'm Isotherm on eastern. Posted a NYC winter forecast back in November - I think you replied in it. Not looking too good. LOL.

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Storm always uses his knowledge to right a book. lol.

Hey there, just wanted to get some discussion going. LOL. I felt his post deserved a big response.

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I'm Isotherm on eastern. Posted a NYC winter forecast back in November - I think you replied in it. Not looking too good. LOL.

LOL..im pretty sure I remember who you are. I'm still learning this whole Long Range Thing, im more of a Medium/Short Term forecaster..but hey, you have to learn sometime.

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I remember those winters of 1988-89 amd 1998-99 they were horrible in terms of snowless especially that 1988-89 winter, that was truly a very boring winter of nothing.  I hope we dont have a strong nina next winter, seems like weak ninas being good winters.

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Virgaman,

Unfortunately it seems that we may be heading that way. Since December, the Nino drop is the second quickest/largest drop ever recorded. The 1st and 3rd quickest? Both went to Strong La Nina's.

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Virgaman,

Unfortunately it seems that we may be heading that way. Since December, the Nino drop is the second quickest/largest drop ever recorded. The 1st and 3rd quickest? Both went to Strong La Nina's.


I definitely wouldn't say it's a lock. Many were speculating back in August this could be one of the strongest el nino's on record due to the drastic MEI rise earlier this fall. However, that was not the case -- barely reached +1.4c in region 3.4 prior to tumbling down into the weak ENSO range. Right now, I have 99% confidence we're headed into a weak nina at the very least through summer and possibly lasting into next winter. Implications that far down the road are blurry though. Best guess is a very active hurrricane season on the way.

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What would be numbers for weak Nina for next winter? Above or Below temp/snow. And for strong Nina.
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What would be numbers for weak Nina for next winter? Above or Below temp/snow. And for strong Nina.

Njblizzard -- dug up my post from last August concerning ENSO/correlation to NYC snowfall:

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Bottom line is you do not want a strong or moderate la nina. Weak nina's average only slightly less than weak nino's.

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According to the chart put up before, 95-96 was a weak nina(which followed a moderate el nino) and we all know how awesome that winter was for snow-lovers.  Hey, maybe, just maybe...
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Virgaman,

Unfortunately it seems that we may be heading that way. Since December, the Nino drop is the second quickest/largest drop ever recorded. The 1st and 3rd quickest? Both went to Strong La Nina's.


I definitely wouldn't say it's a lock. Many were speculating back in August this could be one of the strongest el nino's on record due to the drastic MEI rise earlier this fall. However, that was not the case -- barely reached +1.4c in region 3.4 prior to tumbling down into the weak ENSO range. Right now, I have 99% confidence we're headed into a weak nina at the very least through summer and possibly lasting into next winter. Implications that far down the road are blurry though. Best guess is a very active hurrricane season on the way.

Definetly not a lock, but I think its worth noting that the past few times we have had drops like this, they have resulted in Strong Nina's.





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