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Any of you guys buying his book? Do you consider Joe a sell out, for dishing club house secrets about the players? What are your opinions on this so far?
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:05 AM
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Don't like it at all. I thought Joe was a stand-up guy. If anything, wait until those you are writing about have retired.
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I heard Torre is signing up to this site to push his book. Evans gave him the idea.
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rgwp96, on Feb 5 2009, 08:47 AM, said:
I heard Torre is signing up to this site to push his book. Evans gave him the idea.
True! He is going to call himself "Book B!tch 2" And he will start posting in the warm weather threads.
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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:30 AM
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RG is a funny guy... 
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FreezingDrizzle, on Feb 5 2009, 11:30 AM, said:
RG is a funny guy...
Yes he is, down right nice guy too!!!
BTW. He has a laugh that makes you piss your pants.......
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lab94, on Feb 5 2009, 12:31 PM, said:
Yes he is, down right nice guy too!!!
BTW. He has a laugh that makes you piss your pants.......
BTW. He has a laugh that makes you piss your pants.......
I have more teeth than that, and Im white
. Whats wrong with my laugh
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lab94, on Feb 5 2009, 12:31 PM, said:
Yes he is, down right nice guy too!!!
BTW. He has a laugh that makes you piss your pants.......
BTW. He has a laugh that makes you piss your pants.......
Thats just too flippin funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rgwp96, on Feb 5 2009, 01:53 PM, said:
I have more teeth than that, and Im white . Whats wrong with my laugh
. Whats wrong with my laughJust poking fun at at you buddy. I know you can take it.LOL
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lab94, on Feb 5 2009, 03:32 PM, said:
Just poking fun at at you buddy. I know you can take it.LOL
The Northern Pike you caught has more teeth too.
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This book is a very worthwhile read for any Yankee fan. Its not nearly as contentious as early press made it out to be. It does get a bit whiney toward the end about the way Torre was treated, but there is some really fascinating info regarding the "core" of the Yankees Championship teams and the emergence of stats being used by General Managers.
I fully expected that the "winning years" would highlight the core of the Yanks as being the strength of the team. What surprised me is that the core was more defined as David Cone, Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Derek Jeter and Chuck Knoblauch as it was being Bernie Williams, Mariano Rivera or Jorge Posada.
The book is laid out chronologically and talks about growth of that core in the late nineties and the common purpose of winning that they all shared. Even as pieces of the team were added like David Wells and Roger Clemens who didn't really fit into that chemistry all that well, there was enough "power" in that core to keep the team on the right track.
Two things happened to begin to cause things to unravel after the 2001 series. Teams began to catch up to the Yanks, and eventually surpass them, as the Yankee leadership lost sight of the value of a great starting pitching staff while the other teams began to take a more analytical approach to finding effetive players.
According to Torre, even when the Yanks were winning 4 of 5 Series Steinbrenner still craved more offensive explosion. Those great years had no 30 HR guys, rather a lineup of 1-9 that could really play the game. Offensively they were among the league leaders in run production, but without the big bats. This was exascerbated by McGwire and Sosa in the HR derby to break Maris' record.
The Yankees revenue soared astonishingly during the 4 of 5 run. Rather than spend it on continuing to win, they binge was on big bats at the expense of everything else. Giambi, Sheffield, Arod, etc became the focus. Pitching and defense was an afterthought. The Yankees starting pitching was decimated starting in 2001. It really hit bottom in 2003, but this was not a slow leak. They fell to below average and according to a Bill James metric, the Yankees overachieved in the win column each year after 2001 or 2002.
The Yankee leadership by committee tried to plug holes with aging pitchers who also happened to be head cases. Kevin Brown, Kenny Rogers, Randy Johnson, Jeff Weaver....there are a bunch. Bottom line on these pitchers and other Free Agent acquisitions is that the Yanks were signing players on the downside of their careers without that common purpose. They began to sign numbers guys. Arod in particular is portrayed as the most insecure and needy player of the times. All about his numbers and no regard for the team winning. As long as he is the best, in the end, he is happy. Turns out many of these guys had similar attitudes and that just didn't lend itself well to playing the game the right way.
There is a ton more that reveals about how the Red Sox went about building their team in completely opposite fashion and why they were able to surpass the Yankees. One of the most fascinating aspects is how Cashman is now trying to emulate Boston and some of the other teams who have subsribed in some way to Billy Beane's numbers approach to assessing the value of a player. It describes Cash's first big "find" as Wilson Betamit. He called him the next David Ortiz based upon "his" statistical analysis.
Great stuff.
I fully expected that the "winning years" would highlight the core of the Yanks as being the strength of the team. What surprised me is that the core was more defined as David Cone, Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Derek Jeter and Chuck Knoblauch as it was being Bernie Williams, Mariano Rivera or Jorge Posada.
The book is laid out chronologically and talks about growth of that core in the late nineties and the common purpose of winning that they all shared. Even as pieces of the team were added like David Wells and Roger Clemens who didn't really fit into that chemistry all that well, there was enough "power" in that core to keep the team on the right track.
Two things happened to begin to cause things to unravel after the 2001 series. Teams began to catch up to the Yanks, and eventually surpass them, as the Yankee leadership lost sight of the value of a great starting pitching staff while the other teams began to take a more analytical approach to finding effetive players.
According to Torre, even when the Yanks were winning 4 of 5 Series Steinbrenner still craved more offensive explosion. Those great years had no 30 HR guys, rather a lineup of 1-9 that could really play the game. Offensively they were among the league leaders in run production, but without the big bats. This was exascerbated by McGwire and Sosa in the HR derby to break Maris' record.
The Yankees revenue soared astonishingly during the 4 of 5 run. Rather than spend it on continuing to win, they binge was on big bats at the expense of everything else. Giambi, Sheffield, Arod, etc became the focus. Pitching and defense was an afterthought. The Yankees starting pitching was decimated starting in 2001. It really hit bottom in 2003, but this was not a slow leak. They fell to below average and according to a Bill James metric, the Yankees overachieved in the win column each year after 2001 or 2002.
The Yankee leadership by committee tried to plug holes with aging pitchers who also happened to be head cases. Kevin Brown, Kenny Rogers, Randy Johnson, Jeff Weaver....there are a bunch. Bottom line on these pitchers and other Free Agent acquisitions is that the Yanks were signing players on the downside of their careers without that common purpose. They began to sign numbers guys. Arod in particular is portrayed as the most insecure and needy player of the times. All about his numbers and no regard for the team winning. As long as he is the best, in the end, he is happy. Turns out many of these guys had similar attitudes and that just didn't lend itself well to playing the game the right way.
There is a ton more that reveals about how the Red Sox went about building their team in completely opposite fashion and why they were able to surpass the Yankees. One of the most fascinating aspects is how Cashman is now trying to emulate Boston and some of the other teams who have subsribed in some way to Billy Beane's numbers approach to assessing the value of a player. It describes Cash's first big "find" as Wilson Betamit. He called him the next David Ortiz based upon "his" statistical analysis.
Great stuff.
Randolph NJ
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