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[satellite_eyes]

The 40" stake got buried so they put up a 60" one. Soon they might need another one! Amazing.

http://www.robertlyo...am/?page_id=311

[snowshoe]

thats close to some of North Jersey season average totals. South jersey doesnt even get that close to that for the season. As much as I like snow I think that can get old fast. Just talk to geak. Thats why I say Northwest NJ, Catskills and poconos get the perfect winters.

[satellite_eyes]

Year after year it would get old. But it would be nice for a few years.

[icehater]

snowshoe, on Feb 23 2009, 08:10 AM, said:

thats close to some of North Jersey season average totals. South jersey doesnt even get that close to that for the season. As much as I like snow I think that can get old fast. Just talk to geak. Thats why I say Northwest NJ, Catskills and poconos get the perfect winters.

I don't know snowshoe. The amount of sleet and ice in NW NJ is hardly ideal. I'd still say the catskills, from Snowamps area across Saugerties, north to albany on east across interior SNE is the ideal place to be. You can catch the Miller B's much better, particularly east and you are far north enough to miss a lot of ice. I certainly like NW NJ from a NYC perspective but not from a NE perspective.

[Stormchaser]

icehater, on Feb 23 2009, 09:16 AM, said:

I don't know snowshoe. The amount of sleet and ice in NW NJ is hardly ideal. I'd still say the catskills, from Snowamps area across Saugerties, north to albany on east across interior SNE is the ideal place to be. You can catch the Miller B's much better, particularly east and you are far north enough to miss a lot of ice. I certainly like NW NJ from a NYC perspective but not from a NE perspective.

Any northeastern location with an average of 55-70" of snow would be ideal to me -- so basically the higher terrain of the Poconos, Catskills, southern VT, interior SNE, and coastal NH/ME.

NW NJ would be cutting it close for my "ideal" snow location; I'd imagine Robbbs' house is the about the best in NJ w/ a 50-55" average, save for High point itself at 1400-1800ft, but I doubt that's a resident area.

[satellite_eyes]

But the last few years are unlike anything i've ever seen in NW nj in terms of sleet/ice. If it continues like this then i agree i'd rather have nothing than all this sleet/ice. In my 15 years growing up in Wantage i never saw it like this.

[Stormchaser]

satellite_eyes, on Feb 23 2009, 08:24 AM, said:

Year after year it would get old. But it would be nice for a few years.

Agree Sat. It'd be fun the first few years but the excitement would gradually wear off thereafter.

[Stormchaser]

satellite_eyes, on Feb 23 2009, 09:47 AM, said:

But the last few years are unlike anything i've ever seen in NW nj in terms of sleet/ice. If it continues like this then i agree i'd rather have nothing than all this sleet/ice. In my 15 years growing up in Wantage i never saw it like this.

This is true and I think the past couple La Nina seasons have skewed peoples' views into thinking we live in a sleet/ice haven.

I posted awhile ago that sleet/ice is much more common everywhere in the NE during La Nina, latitudinal seasons as warmer air rushing in aloft meets cold surface high pressure oriented W-E near the US-Canadian border.

El Nino and neutral seasons feature much more pure snow events in the Northeast, obviously sleet/ice will be greater in the Southeast as they've got warmer mid levels.

It's all a matter of perception. I'd take NW NJ over Boston any day but it wouldn't be my ideal spot. Generally the further NW one goes, the less sleet/ice problems on average.

[devilsfan0405]

Stormchaser, on Feb 23 2009, 09:47 AM, said:

Agree Sat. It'd be fun the first few years but the excitement would gradually wear off thereafter.

Yeah. I think part of the excitement of getting snow around here is the fact that we don't live in a snow belt that sees 75-100" per year on average. Going through that on a seasonal basis might be a bit too much to take after awhile. It's similar to living in a place like Florida. Yeah, the constant warmth sounds nice, but I enjoy the change in seasons as well. I would miss fall and spring in New Jersey. I see John's (Weathergeek) posts about all the snow in Vermont. It almost sounds like he hates snow now.

[NittanyLion]

Stormchaser, on Feb 23 2009, 09:47 AM, said:

Agree Sat. It'd be fun the first few years but the excitement would gradually wear off thereafter.

Yeah that's probably true.

[el bliizzardo diablo]

It's funny how everything is relative. Back in the mid '90s, I lived in Fredon Township. just WSW of Newton, I thought 'wow, I'm gonna get buried up here'. But then I got envious of Sussex and Wantage.

I then moved to a spot 10 minutes south of Robbbs -been here for 10 years, and it's been OK, not great, for snow. It's better than the valleys E and S of here, but nothing like VT.

[icehater]

Since we get so many Miller B storms every winter I think an ideal spot has to be in an area that is far enough north to catch much greater chances for those storms than here. Interior SNE has much better dynamics then anywhere in our area. But they lose their snow over time, often getting to bare ground. I'd separate out a place like Worcester from places like Houlton and Caribou. It's one thing to hold lesser snow cover - say 5-10" or even get to bare ground from central/northern Maine and central-northern New Hampshire/Vermont areas where there is almost always 18" of snow on the ground at a minimum and in bad years as much as 4-5 feet. Some of the Vermont and New hampshire amounts are due to elevation. In maine they get it at sea-level. That would be depressing as the snow would reach un-managable depths.

What you also need to keep in mind is the cold when you look at those big NNE snow totals. Caribou has had some -25 to -30 temps this year and has -40 piotential. I don't ever want to feel like I'm in Fairbanks

[IdolikesnowKocin]

Check out how NYC gets killed with snow after snow storm

[snowshoe]

I guess I like my area because I have so much public lands all around me, plus I dont get as much snow as high point or the ridge tops but im only a stone throws away. Plus im closer to more jobs and at least i dont have to go to far for shopping etc.... Truthfully I like the storms we have been getting. The snow with sleet on top makes for great snowshoeing/XC ski conditions. It creats the best base with the least amount of snow. 6 inches of snow with sleet mixed in packes well and allows you to ski snowshoe rocky trails without hitting the rocks. Im in a centraly located spot, im less then 1.5 hrs away from the Catskills, very close to the poconos and Robbbs area.

Idealy I would love to live in the Catskills - Inside the blue line of the catskill forest preserve, like slide mt area. The problem there is where do you find a decent paying job and shopping is not nearly as close by.

The poconos are great but there you have to deal with the problems they are experiencing from the city people moving in. Some spots it is like living in NYC The crime there has been getting worst. Plus the terrain is unitresting in the poconos. Its all similar in elevation thats why its called the pocono plateau.

Snowamp is in a great spots as well she has the Catskills forest preserve not too far away as well the shawangunks with elevations over 2000ft.

Robbbs area is great, the terrain is intresting, gets just as much snow as my area and lots of great scenic public lands. The only disadvantage is his area is more built up.

[icehater]

snowshoe, on Feb 23 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

I guess I like my area because I have so much public lands all around me, plus I dont get as much snow as high point or the ridge tops but im only a stone throws away. Plus im closer to more jobs and at least i dont have to go to far for shopping etc.... Truthfully I like the storms we have been getting. The snow with sleet on top makes for great snowshoeing/XC ski conditions. It creats the best base with the least amount of snow. 6 inches of snow with sleet mixed in packes well and allows you to ski snowshoe rocky trails without hitting the rocks. Im in a centraly located spot, im less then 1.5 hrs away from the Catskills, very close to the poconos and Robbbs area.

Idealy I would love to live in the Catskills - Inside the blue line of the catskill forest preserve, like slide mt area. The problem there is where do you find a decent paying job and shopping is not nearly as close by.

The poconos are great but there you have to deal with the problems they are experiencing from the city people moving in. Some spots it is like living in NYC The crime there has been getting worst. Plus the terrain is unitresting in the poconos. Its all similar in elevation thats why its called the pocono plateau.

Snowamp is in a great spots as well she has the Catskills forest preserve not too far away as well the shawangunks with elevations over 2000ft.

Robbbs area is great, the terrain is intresting, gets just as much snow as my area and lots of great scenic public lands. The only disadvantage is his area is more built up.

Snowshoe,

I think we all love the areas we live in for all different reasons. I was simply looking at the ideal snow spot as being the place where snow (irrespective of all other geograpical and/or living desires) is still a challenge to get at times rather than a given 80-90% of the time and also where snow cover is not overdone and/or winter does not reach depressing levels. Interior northern New England (mainly because of elevation) and Maine from about Bangor on north pretty much qualifies for the latter. I had a cousin who lived in Bangor for many years and he thought that was awful in winter until he saw what the Houlton to Caribou area was like. He was in auto insurance and had to go up to Caribou often enough. He was once there in early April when they still had 2' of snow on the ground with an 18-24" blizzard coming in. I'd want no part of that.

[rgwp96]

In dont mind north jersey say from the 287n+w area, most areas are within 10 inches of each other(snowfall) regardless of elevation and while elevation is a plus it usually only makes a huge difference in november and late march. Those early and late storms do nothing but inflate snow avgs because most times they are gone in a day or 2. While yes Id certainly like to avg a little more in terms of snow, I do however like our winters temps in which you can actually enjoy the snow. Living in vermont,and the other areas up there would be brutal considering the extreme temps. I guess nw ct would be great since they avg a lot more than other areas of sne. People have to realize most areas of sne have been getting spoiled these last 2 years, they have been way above avg in terms of avg snowfall . Boston basically avg as much as north jersey(287n+w) if not less. While they get miller b's they usually get shafted on miller A's. one other plus with our area is we have great springs when compared to bostons area. When mid march comes im ready for spring.

[lab94]

rgwp96, on Feb 23 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

In dont mind north jersey say from the 287n+w area, most areas are within 10 inches of each other(snowfall) regardless of elevation and while elevation is a plus it usually only makes a huge difference in november and late march. Those early and late storms do nothing but inflate snow avgs because most times they are gone in a day or 2. While yes Id certainly like to avg a little more in terms of snow, I do however like our winters temps in which you can actually enjoy the snow. Living in vermont,and the other areas up there would be brutal considering the extreme temps. I guess nw ct would be great since they avg a lot more than other areas of sne. People have to realize most areas of sne have been getting spoiled these last 2 years, they have been way above avg in terms of avg snowfall . Boston basically avg as much as north jersey(287n+w) if not less. While they get miller b's they usually get shafted on miller A's. one other plus with our area is we have great springs when compared to bostons area. When mid march comes im ready for spring.

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[GATOMAN69]

I've never seen that much snow on the ground here in sw ct., the most i can remember is about 3.5 feet in 96...but to the folks up there, it's probably no big deal...

[weathergeek87]

You think NE VT is spoiled...I actually feel bad for them up there..I'm in Queens now on break and I feel for them because I'll be back to LSC on Sunday.