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NYBrit
I just watched the famous Pine Tar Incident on the mlb channel. That guy Brett went crazy at the end lol. Does anyone remember watching the incident back in 83?
vascudave
QUOTE (NYBrit @ Apr 9 2010, 03:51 PM) *
I just watched the famous Pine Tar Incident on the mlb channel. That guy Brett went crazy at the end lol. Does anyone remember watching the incident back in 83?


i do
NYBrit
Must have been a sickener when the game was replayed and the Yankees lost.
satellite_eyes
I was 9 and i remjeber it well. Yeah i hated when the yanks wound up losing.
FreezingDrizzle
I was watching the game with my friends. Yeah, Brett went nuts.
metfan4life
It's like he didn't know that he did it lol
icehater
George Brett is one of the greatest hitters of all time. Goose Gossage hated facing him because he could get around on his 100mph pitches and line them into the upper deck in RF at Yankee stadium. Brett today would command $25mln or more a year and he was at his best in clutch situations. If he were on steroids he'd hit with more power than AROD.
robbbs
QUOTE (icehater @ Apr 10 2010, 04:52 PM) *
George Brett is one of the greatest hitters of all time. Goose Gossage hated facing him because he could get around on his 100mph pitches and line them into the upper deck in RF at Yankee stadium. Brett today would command $25mln or more a year and he was at his best in clutch situations. If he were on steroids he'd hit with more power than AROD.


Totally agree that he was one of baseball's all time greatest hitters; he even came close to hitting .400 in one season. Having said that, I always thought he got a free pass with respect to how he acted with the pine tar incident. IMO, the guy had serious issues. He should have been suspended and fined for that. I also think the subsequent ruling against the Yanks was disgraceful. If you're going to have a rule, you have to honor it. If you don't like the rule, get rid of it. The ruling that the incident was "not in the spirit of the game" and call reversal was as wacko as Brett's bahaviour. The real story of the pine tar incident, IMO, was that it revealed the psycho side of Brett's personality. There are plenty of stories about his bizarre on and off field antics and there was rarely a player as disliked, by even his own team-mates, as was Brett. BTW, an interesting story about him was when Miss America revealed on live pageant television that she was engaged to him. Of couse it wasn't very good for Brett when the other girl he was engaged to at the same time was watching it live with Brett sitting next to her. Both engagements soon ended. Anyway, Brett's reputation had often been that he was the most selfish and self-centered player in baseball at the time.
devilsfan0405
QUOTE (robbbs @ Apr 10 2010, 01:27 PM) *
Totally agree that he was one of baseball's all time greatest hitters; he even came close to hitting .400 in one season. Having said that, I always thought he got a free pass with respect to how he acted with the pine tar incident. IMO, the guy had serious issues. He should have been suspended and fined for that. I also think the subsequent ruling against the Yanks was disgraceful. If you're going to have a rule, you have to honor it. If you don't like the rule, get rid of it. The ruling that the incident was "not in the spirit of the game" and call reversal was as wacko as Brett's bahaviour. The real story of the pine tar incident, IMO, was that it revealed the psycho side of Brett's personality. There are plenty of stories about his bizarre on and off field antics and there was rarely a player as disliked, by even his own team-mates, as was Brett. BTW, an interesting story about him was when Miss America revealed on live pageant television that she was engaged to him. Of couse it wasn't very good for Brett when the other girl he was engaged to at the same time was watching it live with Brett sitting next to her. Both engagements soon ended. Anyway, Brett's reputation had often been that he was the most selfish and self-centered player in baseball at the time.


Interesting stuff; never knew that about him. Yeah, he really lost his mind during that incident. You can see his eyes almost bulge out as he's running out of the dugout. He could have seriously hurt someone with the state of rage he was in. Luckily, the umpire didn't get clocked.
icehater
QUOTE (devilsfan0405 @ Apr 10 2010, 02:26 PM) *
Interesting stuff; never knew that about him. Yeah, he really lost his mind during that incident. You can see his eyes almost bulge out as he's running out of the dugout. He could have seriously hurt someone with the state of rage he was in. Luckily, the umpire didn't get clocked.


I also didn't know that Brett was nuts like that. Not defending him at all as you can't defend that behavior but at the time pine tar was widely used and umps overlooked it the same way troopers overlook a guy going 56mph in a 55 mph zone. In fact then, as now, umps had a set of unofficial rules and suddenly one broke rank from that and hence Brett's reaction not only from the unexpected but also the timing of it.

Here's the video and just look at the placement of the pitch and where Brett hits it as well:

http://www.sportaphile.com/2008/07/24/vide...e-tar-incident/

The videi here is much more detailed along with Gossage and Brett revisiting the incident.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb
robbbs
QUOTE (icehater @ Apr 10 2010, 08:37 PM) *
I also didn't know that Brett was nuts like that. Not defending him at all as you can't defend that behavior but at the time pine tar was widely used and umps overlooked it the same way troopers overlook a guy going 56mph in a 55 mph zone. In fact then, as now, umps had a set of unofficial rules and suddenly one broke rank from that and hence Brett's reaction not only from the unexpected but also the timing of it.

Here's the video and just look at the placement of the pitch and where Brett hits it as well:

http://www.sportaphile.com/2008/07/24/vide...e-tar-incident/

The videi here is much more detailed along with Gossage and Brett revisiting the incident.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb


Ice -- The umps ignored the rule, unless someone comlained. If someone did complain, the umps enforced the rule, as they did when Billy Martin protested. BTW, did you ever hear about the racism accusations leveled against Brett? He was supposedly way over the top. One story is that team-mate McRae lost the batting title on the last game of the season to Brett and McRae accused the opposing team of letting several fly balls drop in for hits so that Brett would get the title. McRae claims that Brett and several Twins players had big laughs after the game over it and said no way would they allow a black man to get the title. One annonymous player labeled Brett the modern era Ty Cobb, due to both his great hitting as well as his difficult personality. And here's an example of the "great" George Brett today. Time hasn't mellowed this loose cannon at all:
http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/05/george...tics_f--k_y.php
icehater
QUOTE (robbbs @ Apr 10 2010, 05:20 PM) *
Ice -- The umps ignored the rule, unless someone comlained. If someone did complain, the umps enforced the rule, as they did when Billy Martin protested. BTW, did you ever hear about the racism accusations leveled against Brett? He was supposedly way over the top. One story is that team-mate McRae lost the batting title on the last game of the season to Brett and McRae accused the opposing team of letting several fly balls drop in for hits so that Brett would get the title. McRae claims that Brett and several Twins players had big laughs after the game over it and said no way would they allow a black man to get the title. One annonymous player labeled Brett the modern era Ty Cobb, due to both his great hitting as well as his difficult personality. And here's an example of the "great" George Brett today. Time hasn't mellowed this loose cannon at all:
http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/05/george...tics_f--k_y.php


No - I never knew any of this about Brett. He's as nuts as Clemens it seems.
robbbs
Another recent George Brett clip. Notice how the players actually try to get away from him. Ahh yes, what a great role model he is for young players.

http://sullybaseball.blogspot.com/2008/09/...brett-clip.html
rgwp96
QUOTE (robbbs @ Apr 11 2010, 07:26 AM) *
Another recent George Brett clip. Notice how the players actually try to get away from him. Ahh yes, what a great role model he is for young players.

http://sullybaseball.blogspot.com/2008/09/...brett-clip.html



well the guys farting what do you expect laugh.gif . I sure hope you dont think players today sit around holding hands singing Kumbaya to eachother. You never been around a bunch of friends and acted like idiots?
robbbs
QUOTE (rgwp96 @ Apr 11 2010, 01:59 PM) *
well the guys farting what do you expect laugh.gif . I sure hope you dont think players today sit around holding hands singing Kumbaya to eachother. You never been around a bunch of friends and acted like idiots?


You must have some scintillating conversations at get-togethers biggrin.gif. I hear you, but Brett was their coach and you saw how the other players reacted and couldn't distance themselves enough from him. While I don't think players hold hands and sing Kumbaya, Brett was over the top with that story. The point is that he's a nut job, couldn't spell the word class, and it's no secret among many around him like other players and sports writers that he's got some major screws missing. This is just one story among an assortment of stories and history about him.
bm55
QUOTE (robbbs @ Apr 11 2010, 10:45 AM) *
You must have some scintillating conversations at get-togethers biggrin.gif. I hear you, but Brett was their coach and you saw how the other players reacted and couldn't distance themselves enough from him. While I don't think players hold hands and sing Kumbaya, Brett was over the top with that story. The point is that he's a nut job, couldn't spell the word class, and it's no secret among many around him like other players and sports writers that he's got some major screws missing. This is just one story among an assortment of stories and history about him.

I agree. He has always been an arrogant and self centered sob whenever he has done interviews.
FreezingDrizzle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Brett_(baseball)

Some interesting facts and figures about him.

I didn't know he got picked off upon celebrating his 3,000th hit.
FreezingDrizzle
QUOTE (robbbs @ Apr 11 2010, 07:26 AM) *
Another recent George Brett clip. Notice how the players actually try to get away from him. Ahh yes, what a great role model he is for young players.

http://sullybaseball.blogspot.com/2008/09/...brett-clip.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKri6FQK1Mk

Same experience happened to this guy.
satellite_eyes
I could be wrong but i was under the impression Brett has gotten his life back in order these days. He obviously had a scary anger issue back when he was playing.
Ehop
He was a great hitter and was a ladies man.
The funniest Brett story was telling someone else his incident in Vegas.
Not sure how to post the link but if you google george brett @$%@# himself.
The other word rhymes with hits with another letter in front.
robbbs
QUOTE (satellite_eyes @ Apr 12 2010, 12:16 PM) *
I could be wrong but i was under the impression Brett has gotten his life back in order these days. He obviously had a scary anger issue back when he was playing.


I would think that losing his brother, Ken Brett, to brain cancer had an impact. There's no doubt that his surly personality prevented a bigger post-baseball career for George. He basically stayed in Kansas City after his playing days, partially because it's where he played his entire career, but also because his antics and issues prevented many opportunities and offers outside of there.
devilsfan0405
QUOTE (robbbs @ Apr 10 2010, 05:20 PM) *
Ice -- The umps ignored the rule, unless someone comlained. If someone did complain, the umps enforced the rule, as they did when Billy Martin protested. BTW, did you ever hear about the racism accusations leveled against Brett? He was supposedly way over the top. One story is that team-mate McRae lost the batting title on the last game of the season to Brett and McRae accused the opposing team of letting several fly balls drop in for hits so that Brett would get the title. McRae claims that Brett and several Twins players had big laughs after the game over it and said no way would they allow a black man to get the title. One annonymous player labeled Brett the modern era Ty Cobb, due to both his great hitting as well as his difficult personality. And here's an example of the "great" George Brett today. Time hasn't mellowed this loose cannon at all:
http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/05/george...tics_f--k_y.php


Crazy stuff...and McRae could be quite the loose cannon himself, as evidenced by this video. Do not watch if you're profanity-averse in any way, shape or form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kamDqL-AGzI
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