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LongIslandWthr

Could be a pretty rare and exciting day Tomorrow, but things need to go nearly perfect

SPC AC 051730

DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1230 PM CDT SAT JUN 05 2010

VALID 061200Z - 071200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS PARTS OF SRN NEW
ENGLAND...NJ...ERN PA AND THE MID-ATLANTIC...

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE CNTRL
APPALACHIAN MTNS...

...NEW ENGLAND/NJ/ERN PA/MID-ATLANTIC/CNTRL APPALACHIANS...
A RELATIVELY LOW-AMPLITUDE UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH WILL MOVE EWD ACROSS
THE ERN GREAT LAKES AND UPPER OH VALLEY SUNDAY. AHEAD OF AND SOUTH
OF THE UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH...A WELL-DEVELOPED LINE OF THUNDERSTORMS
SHOULD BE ONGOING SUNDAY MORNING FROM WRN NY SWWD ACROSS OH INTO SRN
IND WITH THE LINE MOVING ESEWD INTO THE CNTRL AND NRN APPALACHIAN
MTNS BY MIDDAY. A MARGINAL SEVERE THREAT SHOULD EXIST WITH THIS LINE
DURING THE MORNING WITH THE SEVERE THREAT GRADUALLY INCREASING AS
SFC TEMPS WARM DURING THE DAY. THE GREATEST THREAT FOR SEVERE SHOULD
BE CO-LOCATED WITH THE EXIT REGION OF A 75 TO 90 KT MID-LEVEL JET
MOVING ACROSS SRN NEW ENGLAND SUNDAY AFTERNOON. ETA-KF FORECAST
SOUNDINGS AT THAT TIME IN MA AND CT SHOW MLCAPE OF 1000 TO 1500 J/KG
AND 0-6 KM SHEAR IN THE 50 TO 60 KT RANGE WHICH SHOULD SUPPORT
SUPERCELL DEVELOPMENT. 0-3 KM STORM RELATIVELY HELICITIES OF 350 TO
400 M2/S2 COULD BE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADOES BUT THIS THREAT SHOULD BE
DEPENDENT UPON STORM MODE. IF THE PREDOMINANT STORM TYPE IS
LINEAR...THEN WIND DAMAGE COULD BE THE PRIMARY THREAT. WITH 850 MB
FLOW AT 50 TO 60 KT...ANY FAST-MOVING LINES COULD PRODUCE VERY
STRONG WIND GUSTS. THIS POTENTIAL FOR VERY STRONG WIND GUSTS SHOULD
EXTEND SWWD INTO NEW JERSEY ALONG THE SRN EDGE OF THE MID-LEVEL JET.

FURTHER WSW INTO THE CNTRL APPALACHIAN MTNS...A SEVERE THREAT SHOULD
ALSO EXIST SUNDAY AFTERNOON WHERE THE MODELS ARE FORECASTING
MODERATE INSTABILITY. ETA-KF FORECAST SOUNDINGS IN ERN KY SUNDAY AT
21Z SHOW 35 TO 45 KT OF 0-6 KM SHEAR WITH UNIDIRECTIONAL SHEAR
PROFILES. THIS SHOULD BE FAVORABLE FOR BOWING LINE-SEGMENTS WITH A
THREAT FOR DAMAGING WIND GUSTS ESPECIALLY AS LOW-LEVEL LAPSE RATES
STEEPEN DURING THE AFTERNOON.



Quoting Storm-
QUOTE (Stormchaser @ Jun 5 2010, 01:52 PM) *
Very impressive looking picture for tomorrow afternoon, potentially, dare I say it, one of the better threats in awhile for tomorrow. Assuming we can get some morning destabilization via sunshine, temps into the low-mid 80s w/ TD's near 70, MUCAPE values should surpass 1500-2000 J/KG, maybe up to 2500 J/KG. This coupled with strong shearing of 55-65 kts via the mid level jet and pressure falls associated with the surface low, should be sufficient for widespread convection in the forms of multicellular clusters, bow echos producing wind damage, or a few isolated supercells. As you know supercells in the Northeast are akin to snowstorms in Norfolk VA, so approach with caution. Helicity is extremely favorable, 400 m2/s2, meaning there's plenty of turning winds as we head up in the atmosphere, conducive for wall clouds, funnel clouds, or isolated weak tornado development. My main concern is wind damage in the forecasted environment but be on the look out for some scary looking cloud formations tomorrow afternoon.

What can go wrong -- morning convection could be ongoing in PA, and if the cloud debris and residual weakening T-storms impact us late tonight or tomorrow morning, that could put a damper on destabilization and thus afternoon severe weather opportunity. IMO severe t-storm forecasting is probably the most difficult out of any type of weather, even harder than winter storm forecasting. So many different variables that can affect the outcome.
LongIslandWthr
Pretty High Tornado % for our area


LongIslandWthr
Storms continue to move East



MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0827
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0605 AM CDT SUN JUN 06 2010

AREAS AFFECTED...PORTIONS SERN INDIANA...OH...WRN/NRN PA...NRN
WV...MD PANHANDLE...WRN NY.

CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH 270...

VALID 061105Z - 061300Z

THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR TORNADO WATCH 270 CONTINUES.

ADDITIONAL OR REPLACEMENT WW MAY BE NEEDED BEFORE SCHEDULED 13Z
EXPIRATION OF WW 270...IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE CONTINUING SVR THREAT
IN AND NEAR PORTIONS OF EXISTING WW AREA AND EWD SHIFT/EXPANSION
OVER MORE OF PA/NY LATER THIS MORNING.
LongIslandWthr
Sadly I will be out most of the day and un able to post, hope everyone stays safe if we do get storms!
weatherbowl
It would seem to me that the best chance for severe weather is south of route 84. The area north of 84 and east into southern New England have been getting numerous storms the last few days and the ones this morning may put a lid on storms for them this afternoon. Meanwhile a tornado watch is up for areas far NW.
weathergun
Mod Risk for the area! 10% risk for tornadoes. 45% risk for damaging winds. And a hatch for 10% risk of wind gusts greater than 65kts:







Excerpt from SPC:

...CNTRL APPALACHIANS/MID ATLANTIC TO SRN/CNTRL NEW ENGLAND...
A SUBSTANTIAL SVR WEATHER EVENT /DAMAGING WINDS AND A FEW
TORNADOES/ REMAINS POSSIBLE TODAY FROM SERN NY AND CNTRL/SRN NEW
ENGLAND SW THROUGH ERN PA/NJ TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY REGION...

BAND OF SCTD TSTMS...INCLUDING SEMI-DISCRETE SUPERCELLS AND BROKEN
LINES...EXPECTED TO PERSIST THROUGH LATER THIS MORNING ALONG AND
AHEAD OF AFOREMENTIONED COLD FRONT FROM SRN NY SW INTO SRN/CNTRL OH.
DESPITE UNFAVORABLE TIME OF DAY...COMBINATION OF 50-60 KT DEEP WSWLY
SHEAR AND FAIRLY RICH MOISTURE RETURN WILL MAINTAIN THREAT FOR
OCCASIONAL TORNADOES AND LOCALLY DMGG WINDS.
THIS THREAT SHOULD BE GREATEST ALONG AND JUST S OF SFC WAVE ALONG
THE NY/PA BORDER.

IN RESPONSE TO SFC HEATING AND CONTINUED EWD MOTION/AMPLIFICATION OF
UPR TROUGH...EXPECT THE FRONTAL STORMS TO INCREASE IN NUMBER AND
STRENGTH LATER THIS MORNING AND EARLY THIS AFTN OVER PARTS OF PA/WV
AND SRN OH. OTHER STORMS SHOULD FORM BY MIDDAY ALONG PREFRONTAL
CONFLUENCE AXIS/LEE TROUGH FROM THE CHESAPEAKE BAY NE INTO NEW
ENGLAND.

STRONG WIND FIELD ASSOCIATED WITH GRT LKS TROUGH /WITH 700 MB SPEEDS
OF 50-70 KTS/...AND INCREASING SFC-BASED INSTABILITY /SBCAPE TO 2000
J PER KG IN MD/VA...AND 1000 J PER KG IN NEW ENGLAND/...SHOULD PROVE
FAVORABLE FOR SCTD SUPERCELLS/SUSTAINED STORMS WITH DMGG WIND AND A
FEW TORNADOES. THIS THREAT WILL BE GREATEST FROM THE PHILADELPHIA
AREA NE INTO SRN AND PERHAPS CNTRL NEW ENGLAND THROUGH EARLY EVE.
Hurricaneff
Finally might be able to get to use my new toys for the truck,Windshield mount for my video camera,and the anemometer!!
metfan4life
Looking good for a severe weather outbreak around our area. Heating up quickly with the sun shining.
satellite_eyes
I'm supposed to go to the Crawfish festival today. This could be interesting.
metfan4life
Tornado watch coming soon for the area. This should be really interesting.
WeatherWarrior


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0828
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0925 AM CDT SUN JUN 06 2010

AREAS AFFECTED...MUCH OF NEW ENGLAND...SWD ACROSS ERN PA/NJ

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...TORNADO WATCH LIKELY

VALID 061425Z - 061530Z

...TORNADO WATCH WILL BE ISSUED SOON ACROSS MUCH OF SRN NEW ENGLAND
INTO THE MIDDLE ATLANTIC...

WELL DEFINED SFC LOW WILL PROGRESS ACROSS UPSTATE NY INTO SRN VT/NH
BY MID AFTERNOON AS STRONG MID LEVEL SPEED MAX OVERSPREADS SRN NEW
ENGLAND. WARM SECTOR AIRMASS IS QUITE MOIST ACROSS THIS REGION AND
WILL BECOME QUITE UNSTABLE OVER THE NEXT FEW HOURS AS BOUNDARY LAYER
HEATS. LATEST THINKING IS ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS WILL BECOME
QUITE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADIC THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT...ESPECIALLY
NEAR THE RETREATING WARM FRONT WHERE LOW LEVEL SHEAR WILL BE
MAXIMIZED. EVEN SOUTH OF THIS ZONE INTO THE MIDDLE ATLANTIC IT
APPEARS DEEP LAYER SHEAR WILL EASILY SUPPORT ROTATING UPDRAFTS AND
ISOLATED SUPERCELLS COULD ALSO BE EMBEDDED WITHIN A ZONE OF SEVERE
THUNDERSTORMS THAT DISPLAY MORE LINEAR QUALITIES. TORNADOES CAN BE
EXPECTED WITH THE MORE DISCRETE SUPERCELLS...POTENTIALLY
STRONG...AND DAMAGING WINDS WILL BE MORE COMMON WITH LINE SEGMENTS.
HAIL CAN ALSO BE EXPECTED WITH ORGANIZED ACTIVITY.

..DARROW.. 06/06/2010


ATTN...WFO...BOX...OKX...ALY...PHI...BGM...CTP...

LAT...LON 40097754 42927278 42377050 40927130 39537471 40097754
metfan4life
The last time a tornado hit here was a few years ago. I didn't get hit by one but Bay Ridge did and it caused some damage. I also saw a small one in SI.
metfan4life
Maybe a PDS watch?
lab94
QUOTE (satellite_eyes @ Jun 6 2010, 10:24 AM) *
I'm supposed to go to the Crawfish festival today. This could be interesting.

I am at a outdoor skeet shoot in allamuchy now. Nothing like holding a shotgun in a lightning storm. Lol
satellite_eyes
QUOTE (lab94 @ Jun 6 2010, 10:58 AM) *
I am at a outdoor skeet shoot in allamuchy now. Nothing like holding a shotgun in a lightning storm. Lol


You are right up the road from me. Better now than later today. Have fun.
metfan4life
Tornado watch is now in effect for the metro area.
lab94
QUOTE (satellite_eyes @ Jun 6 2010, 11:08 AM) *
You are right up the road from me. Better now than later today. Have fun.

Yes sir ,right off ex12 starts in an hour. Just had alight shower, ended now
jfio93
whoa randomly waking up to a tornado watch
WeatherWarrior


Tornado Watch.
bm55
Super humid out there, dewpoint at 68. Keep getting on and off instability showers with breaks of sun in between.
metfan4life
QUOTE
Tornadoes... Hail To 1.5 Inches In Diameter... Thunderstorm Wind
Gusts To 80 Mph... And Dangerous Lightning Are Possible In These
Areas.


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http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?...1=Tornado+Watch
metfan4life
Big area affected.

GameOfLove
I'll see it when I believe it. Too many times the SPS has these huge percentage numbers for severe weather and nothing happens.
bm55
QUOTE (metfan4life @ Jun 6 2010, 11:22 AM) *
Big area affected.


Looks like we are all covered, should be interesting.
Hurricaneff
Currently at 80 with a dewpoint at 72!!!!!
bm55
QUOTE (GameOfLove @ Jun 6 2010, 11:22 AM) *
I'll see it when I believe it. Too many times the SPS has these huge percentage numbers for severe weather and nothing happens.

GOL, the warning does not mean we will all see a tornado but the ingredients are there. Since it is such a widespread area, it is likely someone will see a tornado, hopefully with not too much damage. Tornados are really something to keep an eye out for.
Stormchaser
I can feel the severe in the air today. We're getting the ideal combination as I noted last night w/ morning destabilization.

I'm torching, up to 88.7 degrees with a SWLY wind gusting to 30mph now!
icehater
Probably the most famous tornado day in our area ever with reports of about 7 or 8 tornados back in July 1972 (I believe). This one, at it's largest point, looked like a midwest tornado with a pitch black cloud and it actually was moving right toward the World Trade Center when it quickly lost the funnel. The tornados that day were in many different locations including White Plains, LI, Coney Island (waterspout) and a few more in NJ. This one did damage on the docks at Jersey City. Oddly they all hit around midday into early afternoon.



metfan4life
88 with a dew of 73.
Hurricaneff
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 6 2010, 11:43 AM) *
Probably the most famous tornado day in our area ever with reports of about 7 or 8 tornados back in July 1972 (I believe). This one, at it's largest point, looked like a midwest tornado with a pitch black cloud and it actually was moving right toward the World Trade Center when it quickly lost the funnel. The tornados that day were in many different locations including White Plains, LI, Coney Island (waterspout) and a few more in NJ. This one did damage on the docks at Jersey City. Oddly they all hit around midday into early afternoon.




The Tornado picture is the bicentennial Ttornado of July 4th,1976.

Thanks for posting that picture.Been looking for that pic for a while.Had it saved on my computer,but must have gotten deleted a while ago.
icehater
QUOTE (TatamyPA @ Jun 6 2010, 11:53 AM) *


I d'ont see any tornado in that last one. The other ones are all cold air ULL induced small storms, so there's actually blue sky near some of them. The Statue of Liberty tornado and the ones that occured that day were all large scale severe storms induced by a cold front. Beside the tornados there were widespread reports that day of large hail, very dangerous lightning and 60+ mph downdrafts.
GameOfLove
QUOTE (bm55 @ Jun 6 2010, 11:28 AM) *
GOL, the warning does not mean we will all see a tornado but the ingredients are there. Since it is such a widespread area, it is likely someone will see a tornado, hopefully with not too much damage. Tornados are really something to keep an eye out for.


I know. Wasn't yesterday suppose to more widespread as well? Just had one line of thunderstorms and on Wednesday we had nothing when they were saying strong storms.

Thunderstorms are a lot like snowstorms.
Stormchaser
I don't think the GFS or any model for that matter predicted today (Sunday) to be the hottest day of the stretch.

I'm at 90F right now with a dew point of 73!
icehater
QUOTE (GameOfLove @ Jun 6 2010, 11:22 AM) *
I'll see it when I believe it. Too many times the SPS has these huge percentage numbers for severe weather and nothing happens.


I think I'm with you on this one. That is a razor thin line with no hint of bow echo or anything all that severe so far. It may worsen as it gets further SE into the bigger heat indexes like we have here though. This is now my third day over 90 this week alone and I've already long lost count of the total days exceeding 90 since April, but they are in double digit territory. My guess is at least a dozen already.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/int...?animation=true
icehater
QUOTE (Stormchaser @ Jun 6 2010, 12:27 PM) *
I don't think the GFS or any model for that matter predicted today (Sunday) to be the hottest day of the stretch.

I'm at 90F right now with a dew point of 73!


At midweek the GFS had us at 74 with the front in North Carolina. It actually had a blustery cool day. The GFS is going to score absolutely terrible in the type of summer we are headed into. Last years summer pattern fit the GFS well but this years pattern is a disaster for the model.
NYBrit
Up to 90 degrees already. It's more breezy today but feels really humid. Under a tornado watch. I can't wait for these storms to come through and clear out this horrible airmass.
Stormchaser
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 6 2010, 12:30 PM) *
I think I'm with you on this one. That is a razor thin line with no hint of bow echo or anything all that severe so far. It may worsen as it gets further SE into the bigger heat indexes like we have here though. This is now my third day over 90 this week alone and I've already long lost count of the total days exceeding 90 since April, but they are in double digit territory. My guess is at least a dozen already.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/int...?animation=true



Wow on the 90s. This past week I had 4 days with highs of 88. Today makes my 2nd 90 degree day of the season.

BTW, the NYC number is laughable. 91 in Newark, 90 LGA, and 86 NYC. Vegetation going to town on that thermo.
Stormchaser
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 6 2010, 12:33 PM) *
At midweek the GFS had us at 74 with the front in North Carolina. It actually had a blustery cool day. The GFS is going to score absolutely terrible in the type of summer we are headed into. Last years summer pattern fit the GFS well but this years pattern is a disaster for the model.



Agree strongly. ECMWF has been the model of choice by a model. Everyone enjoy next week's cool down b/c I think that may be some of our coolest weather for awhile.
bm55
Only 83 here, too much cloud cover but very humid and windy.
weathergeek87
Extremely unimpressive line so far, in fact, it's breaking up over eastern PA.
robbbs
QUOTE (Stormchaser @ Jun 6 2010, 04:33 PM) *
I can feel the severe in the air today. We're getting the ideal combination as I noted last night w/ morning destabilization.

I'm torching, up to 88.7 degrees with a SWLY wind gusting to 30mph now!


I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm not saying it won't happen. However, it's been my experience that reality rarely matches the expectations for severe thunderstorms. In fact, I'd argue that the most impressive storms in our region have almost always ocurred when they were not expected. Severe thunderstorms are typically meso-scale, highly localized, and variable events around here, and so they are far less predictable than other weather events.
weatherbowl
QUOTE (bm55 @ Jun 6 2010, 01:07 PM) *
Only 83 here, too much cloud cover but very humid and windy.

Same here.
snowfreak188
that south wind is what can give us tornados today,that line is moving into better air lets see what it does,remeber it just is and came off the mountains guys.
doncat
Hit 91 here today, monthly departure now at +10 degrees.
robbbs
QUOTE (snowfreak188 @ Jun 6 2010, 07:09 PM) *
that south wind is what can give us tornados today,that line is moving into better air lets see what it does,remeber it just is and came off the mountains guys.


It's literally on my doorstep already. Weather underground radar is pretty heavy, but it's a very narrow line of storms that will probably come and go very quickly, at least for here.
weatherbowl
QUOTE (robbbs @ Jun 6 2010, 01:49 PM) *
I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm not saying it won't happen. However, it's been my experience that reality rarely matches the expectations of severe thrunderstorms. In fact, I would argue that the most impressive storms have almost always ocurred when they were not expected. These are typically meso-scale, highly localized, and variable events, and are far less predictable than other weather elements.

Agree, it does seem most times severe weather is highly advertised it does not live up to expectations.
rgwp96
QUOTE (robbbs @ Jun 6 2010, 02:26 PM) *
It's literally on my doorstep already. Weather underground radar is pretty heavy, but it's a very narrow line of storms that will probably come and go very quickly, at least for here.

looks like it will get you, may miss me just to my north. so much for the perfect set up
bm55
Storm just came thru, a lot of wind, brief heavy downpour, lost power for about 15 minutes, significant drop in temps.
GameOfLove
Some thunder and a very brief shower. Temp dropped to 76.8. from 83.
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