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satellite_eyes
It seems like we've been stuck in this pattern for the last 6 weeks. Almost every day there seems to be a front in our area. Weak cold fronts move through and get hung up and come back as warm fronts a day later. A lot times they stall out and become nearly stationary. There has been a constant train of small waves of low pressure riding along these fronts also. Overall il think we've had good weather and the forecasts have been more bark than bite but it's been relentless. Even though it's been warm and humid the pattern does not really seem like a summer one to me. I like several days of nice weather and at worst maybe a t-storm here and there but nothing that hangs around. I know we've had many days in the 80s but the constant calls for prolonged heat have not really happened yet. I am starting to wonder if it ever will. I know someone will argue that since we have been so far above normal overall but i guess to me i like the heat to come with some drier weather overall.
icehater
Here in central Jersey we've been in the warm air more often than you guys up there so it indeed has felt like a real summery pattern for a long time now with a lot of upper 80's to low 90's days. My electric bill can attest to that. I seem to have a lot more 90 days than Storm but I bet he's recording 87-89 on all those days he missed the 90 I recorded here. Yesterday was another example of the heat being so close as we went from a very warm humid mid day to the cooler east flow in the afternoon but just south of here Wrightstown to Philly reached the upper 80's and low 90's. I'll tell you one thing, I've never used the pool more than this year this early in the season, and we've already had a bunch of great nights for night swimming. Being on the milder side of northern stream storms is frustrating in winter but thie tradeoff to more summery springs is worth it to me. I prefer a longer summer over anything else in weather, and often envy the DC area in spring and early summer a lot more than I envy central and northern NE in winter. As we go thru the month the frontal boundary hang up will move north and the area will be exposed to longer and longer lasting periods of heat.
Stormchaser
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 14 2010, 11:01 AM) *
Here in central Jersey we've been in the warm air more often than you guys up there so it indeed has felt like a real summery pattern for a long time now with a lot of upper 80's to low 90's days. My electric bill can attest to that. I seem to have a lot more 90 days than Storm but I bet he's recording 87-89 on all those days he missed the 90 I recorded here. Yesterday was another example of the heat being so close as we went from a very warm humid mid day to the cooler east flow in the afternoon but just south of here Wrightstown to Philly reached the upper 80's and low 90's. I'll tell you one thing, I've never used the pool more than this year this early in the season, and we've already had a bunch of great nights for night swimming. Being on the milder side of northern stream storms is frustrating in winter but thie tradeoff to more summery springs is worth it to me. I prefer a longer summer over anything else in weather, and often envy the DC area in spring and early summer a lot more than I envy central and northern NE in winter. As we go thru the month the frontal boundary hang up will move north and the area will be exposed to longer and longer lasting periods of heat.



Good post Ice. And yeah all those days in the first week of June were basically 88-89, so I've fallen just short on several occasions. This is also the most I ever remember swimming before June 15th; usually you're lucky to get one or two days before mid June.

Satellite - I definitely see where you're coming from, and I'm anxious to get the big heat in here as we're too moist now (ton of mushrooms and ticks in the lawn here), but keep in mind this part of the summer was expected to be the most back and forth, with gradual progression to more sustained heat by late June then especially July and August. Everything seems to be on track from my POV and by next weekend I think we'll be pretty happy w/ low 90s and sunshine building in.
satellite_eyes
Yes Ice i have seen that difference between you and us up here. Like you said i'm sure everything will eventually push farther north as we get into the actual summer season. Even up here we've been pretty warm at night and that definitely makes for good swimming weather at night.

Storm - we do seem to be right on track with your outlook which is good. Hopefully things will break at some point and we get those longer stretches of nice weather. I guess this is more of a late spring type of pattern just a much warmer one. Like ice said it will probably eventually head more north.
Kelli013
QUOTE (Stormchaser @ Jun 14 2010, 12:03 PM) *
Good post Ice. And yeah all those days in the first week of June were basically 88-89, so I've fallen just short on several occasions. This is also the most I ever remember swimming before June 15th; usually you're lucky to get one or two days before mid June.

Satellite - I definitely see where you're coming from, and I'm anxious to get the big heat in here as we're too moist now (ton of mushrooms and ticks in the lawn here), but keep in mind this part of the summer was expected to be the most back and forth, with gradual progression to more sustained heat by late June then especially July and August. Everything seems to be on track from my POV and by next weekend I think we'll be pretty happy w/ low 90s and sunshine building in.



Does this mean we can look forward to a beautiful Sunday to celebrate Father's Day? I would like to plan the day meals for outside. Thanks.
weatherbowl
I have had plenty of mostly cloudy days recently but very little rain except for the one day last week. Today I made it to the upper 70s but again plenty of clouds.
NittanyLion
This pattern sucks. Period.
icehater
QUOTE (NittanyLion @ Jun 14 2010, 06:31 PM) *
This pattern sucks. Period.


The more north and NE you go, the worse this pattern is.

BTW - Ch 5 featured a traffic light in West Milford on the news tonight at Rt 23 that the residents say is nearly 5 mins long. We have one here down at Rt 33 and Howell road that must be 3-4 mins long in favor of rt 33. I cross it whenever I take my inlaws home. Rt 33 in this area is not busy at all, especially at night, and you just sit there and can read a newspaper while you wait. I've seen folks go thru the light after a while thinking it isn't functioning. Then when it turns you are lucky if it stays green 20 seconds. At night there's not even a need for a traffic light on this corner, just a blinking red and yellow will do. Sometimes in daytime I've seen 50+ cars backed up on Howell road coming south because of the stupidity of this light and all that traffic sat and waited for about 10 cars travelling in both directions that crossed the intersection in 3 mins or so on Rt 33.
robbbs
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 15 2010, 04:36 AM) *
The more north and NE you go, the worse this pattern is.

BTW - Ch 5 featured a traffic light in West Milford on the news tonight at Rt 23 that the residents say is nearly 5 mins long. We have one here down at Rt 33 and Howell road that must be 3-4 mins long in favor of rt 33. I cross it whenever I take my inlaws home. Rt 33 in this area is not busy at all, especially at night, and you just sit there and can read a newspaper while you wait. I've seen folks go thru the light after a while thinking it isn't functioning. Then when it turns you are lucky if it stays green 20 seconds. At night there's not even a need for a traffic light on this corner, just a blinking red and yellow will do. Sometimes in daytime I've seen 50+ cars backed up on Howell road coming south because of the stupidity of this light and all that traffic sat and waited for about 10 cars travelling in both directions that crossed the intersection in 3 mins or so on Rt 33.


Unfortunately, I know it well. It's actually two traffic lights which are spaced no more than 100 feet apart, and each is 4 or 5 minutes long. Unless you reach the second light before it turns red (not likely), you'll have a 9 to 10 minute wait in total.
lab94
QUOTE (robbbs @ Jun 15 2010, 01:01 AM) *
Unfortunately, I know it well. It's actually two traffic lights which are spaced no more than 100 feet apart, and each is 4 or 5 minutes long. Unless you reach the second light before it turns red (not likely), you'll have a 9 to 10 minute wait in total.


Only way you make it thru is if you are the first car and there is no one in front of you at the light in the center of 23, then gun it. Other wise you are screwed. Sit there a couple of times a week wacko.gif
icehater
QUOTE (robbbs @ Jun 15 2010, 01:01 AM) *
Unfortunately, I know it well. It's actually two traffic lights which are spaced no more than 100 feet apart, and each is 4 or 5 minutes long. Unless you reach the second light before it turns red (not likely), you'll have a 9 to 10 minute wait in total.


Well here's the bad news then. Ch 5 asked the powers that be why the lights are so long and they said it was needed for the traffic flow on Rt 23 and they had no intention of changing it in the future. Sounds pretty stupid to me. At least sync the two lights so that a lot of folks can make it through both without gunning their cars. The strategy they have now is a major accident waiting to happen. Down here what happens often later at night is there's an accessible Wawa near the intersection I noted earlier and folks going south turn into the Wawa then exit onto Rt 33 and make a left back onto Howell rd to bypass the light. If you are coming north you turn rightt onto Rt 33 then go into the Wawa and emerge back onto Howell road (which becomes Colts Neck road further north) north of the light. This light is really unreasonable because Rt 33 has so little traffic that flows in the first place. I've even seen people make turns then simply make an imnmediate u-turn just to get past the lengthly light. I have no clue why anyone would put in such a lengthly traffic light onto a street that has so little traffic flow.
NYBrit
A beautiful day today. This is perfect weather. Sunny and 80 degrees with low humidity. More like this please!
Mike_The_Golfer
QUOTE (NYBrit @ Jun 15 2010, 04:59 PM) *
A beautiful day today. This is perfect weather. Sunny and 80 degrees with low humidity. More like this please!



Absolutely perfect day. Unfortunately, it looks like the upcoming weekend could be very warm/muggy.
satellite_eyes
Yesterday was pretty cloudy but it did clear out and was nice in the evening. Today was obviously just about perfect. Another series of fronts come through though again tomorrow/tomorrow night. Sounds like it will be quick to exit though so i can deal with that. Right now most indictations are that we could have a good 5 day stretch of nice weather. Muggy to me is nice as long as the sun is out. So maybe the pattern is finally changing for good. Probably can't rule out a storm Sunday but hopefully nothing prolonged.
shark253
Absolutely Gorgeous today here in NYC. Temps not leaving the 70s for highs and very comfortable humidity levels. biggrin.gif
icehater
QUOTE (shark253 @ Jun 15 2010, 08:05 PM) *
Absolutely Gorgeous today here in NYC. Temps not leaving the 70s for highs and very comfortable humidity levels. biggrin.gif


Not to nitpick but the central park high was 80 and many places hit the low 80's, especially here in central NJ. The sun was blistering today.
icehater
Lot of talk of heavy rain tomorrow night but the Nam has pretty much come up empty for a few runs now and that's not comforting for anyone looking for water for plantlife. If we miss this looks like we are looking at a lot of heat, probably 90's for days starting Friday.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/an...am_p60_060l.gif
robbbs
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 16 2010, 02:53 AM) *
Not to nitpick but the central park high was 80 and many places hit the low 80's, especially here in central NJ. The sun was blistering today.


Reached 80 even here yesterday.
lab94
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 16 2010, 12:25 AM) *
Lot of talk of heavy rain tomorrow night but the Nam has pretty much come up empty for a few runs now and that's not comforting for anyone looking for water for plantlife. If we miss this looks like we are looking at a lot of heat, probably 90's for days starting Friday.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/an...am_p60_060l.gif


Here is my forcast as of 10:30 today

This Afternoon: Scattered showers, then occasional showers and thunderstorms after 2pm. High near 75. South wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

Tonight: Occasional showers and thunderstorms before 10pm, then showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm between 10pm and 2am, then a slight chance of showers after 2am. Some of the storms could produce gusty winds, heavy rain, and frequent lightning. Patchy fog after 2am. Low around 61. South wind around 8 mph becoming west. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

and here is the 12z nam rainfall for the next 36 hr

LongIslandCoastalWx
HPC

QUOTE
IN AN
ATTEMPT TO AVERAGE THESE OUT...NEW UPDATED PRELIM PROGS CONSISTED
OF A 30% DETERMINISTIC CANADIAN/40% DETERMINISTIC ECMWF/30% ECMWF
ENSEMBLE MEAN BLEND. THIS FILTERS OUT THE DETERMINISTIC GFS
00Z/06Z OUTLIER SOLUTIONS WHICH SHOW STRONG WARM ADVECTION INTO
THE NERN CONUS WED DAY 7...IN CONTRAST TO THE ECMWF/CANADIAN
COOLER SOLUTIONS IN THAT AREA.
icehater
QUOTE (lab94 @ Jun 16 2010, 12:26 PM) *
Here is my forcast as of 10:30 today

This Afternoon: Scattered showers, then occasional showers and thunderstorms after 2pm. High near 75. South wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

Tonight: Occasional showers and thunderstorms before 10pm, then showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm between 10pm and 2am, then a slight chance of showers after 2am. Some of the storms could produce gusty winds, heavy rain, and frequent lightning. Patchy fog after 2am. Low around 61. South wind around 8 mph becoming west. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.


You'd think we had 3" of rain and a washout day and night coming the way these forecasts sound both by the NWS and TV Mets. Meanwhile it's gotten warm and humid down here as we have enterred the warmer air but the radar is making the Nam's .1-.25" look generous. None of the ST models I saw leant any support to these forecasts so I have no clue what they are based on.
robbbs
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 16 2010, 09:13 PM) *
You'd think we had 3" of rain and a washout day and night coming the way these forecasts sound both by the NWS and TV Mets. Meanwhile it's gotten warm and humid down here as we have enterred the warmer air but the radar is making the Nam's .1-.25" look generous. None of the ST models I saw leant any support to these forecasts so I have no clue what they are based on.


It's difficult to remember a two week period when there have been so many forecasts for rain, with practically nothing to show for it after. While I have 1.81" of rain for June, the forecasted rain misses have been phenominal. Looking at radar, I better turn on my lawn sprinklers now (again) despite the forecasts of rain.
weatherbowl
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 16 2010, 12:25 AM) *
Lot of talk of heavy rain tomorrow night but the Nam has pretty much come up empty for a few runs now and that's not comforting for anyone looking for water for plantlife. If we miss this looks like we are looking at a lot of heat, probably 90's for days starting Friday.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/an...am_p60_060l.gif

Looks like the Nam is right on. Another rain prediction gone bust. The only hope is for some storms later tonight.
Stormchaser
QUOTE (Kelli013 @ Jun 14 2010, 04:34 PM) *
Does this mean we can look forward to a beautiful Sunday to celebrate Father's Day? I would like to plan the day meals for outside. Thanks.



Yeah Father's Day looks great. Maybe an isolated / pop-up storm in the late afternoon but overall the weekend is 87-90 degrees and humid. In fact Friday and beyond, I don't see any days w/ high temps lower than 85 through the end of June and into July. Obviously you may get a stray cool day but the pattern is a very summery one w/ Bermuda high pressure ridge setting up shop.

Friday's a gem with 80-85 and low humidity, then we're talking beach/pool wx every day with 85-90 and humid for Father's Day weekend through next week. Most of us should verify a heat wave within the next 7 days (3 days of 90+); some locations possibly w/ a 5-7 day stretch of 90 coming up.
Stormchaser
Yes, both the rain and temp forecasts have been a joke this month. Speaking of bad forecasts, the CFS and other models which NOAA bought into for a cooler than normal summer nationwide are beginning to catch up with reality as well. Temp departures generally 0 to +2 across the Northeast right now, should finish June solidly above normal, setting the stage for a hot summer.
shark253
Another dry day again today.....unlike last year, June was a very wet month. What a difference a year makes. Very comfortable day today with low levels of humidity and temps not getting out of the 70's. I have a feeling hot air is right around the corner.
icehater
It's become a warm sultry night here and if this airmass was in contol 8 hours ago we'd have reached a warm humid 85+ today. Meanwhile if we can get these two lines to hook up our lawns will get a nice drink of water overnight. No lightning showing up with either line though. A few hvy showers also went off the south of LI, maybe skimming the extreme south shore after developing off the northern NJ coast earlier.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/health/alle...?animation=true
Kelli013
QUOTE (Stormchaser @ Jun 16 2010, 07:04 PM) *
Yeah Father's Day looks great. Maybe an isolated / pop-up storm in the late afternoon but overall the weekend is 87-90 degrees and humid. In fact Friday and beyond, I don't see any days w/ high temps lower than 85 through the end of June and into July. Obviously you may get a stray cool day but the pattern is a very summery one w/ Bermuda high pressure ridge setting up shop.

Friday's a gem with 80-85 and low humidity, then we're talking beach/pool wx every day with 85-90 and humid for Father's Day weekend through next week. Most of us should verify a heat wave within the next 7 days (3 days of 90+); some locations possibly w/ a 5-7 day stretch of 90 coming up.


Thanks Storm, looking forward to a great weekend. Thought we might get at least .25 tonight, though radar is not showing anything. Glad I had the sprinklers going all afternoon. I really need a good drenching.
icehater
QUOTE (Kelli013 @ Jun 16 2010, 10:09 PM) *
Thanks Storm, looking forward to a great weekend. Thought we might get at least .25 tonight, though radar is not showing anything. Glad I had the sprinklers going all afternoon. I really need a good drenching.


Radar in central Pa is actually getting healthy looking. See post above. Northern part of that line is getting close to NW NJ now.
icehater
QUOTE (Stormchaser @ Jun 16 2010, 07:04 PM) *
Yeah Father's Day looks great. Maybe an isolated / pop-up storm in the late afternoon but overall the weekend is 87-90 degrees and humid. In fact Friday and beyond, I don't see any days w/ high temps lower than 85 through the end of June and into July. Obviously you may get a stray cool day but the pattern is a very summery one w/ Bermuda high pressure ridge setting up shop.

Friday's a gem with 80-85 and low humidity, then we're talking beach/pool wx every day with 85-90 and humid for Father's Day weekend through next week. Most of us should verify a heat wave within the next 7 days (3 days of 90+); some locations possibly w/ a 5-7 day stretch of 90 coming up.


WNW wind ahead of a rapidly warming HP under the strongest sunshine of the year - I'd say 85-90 widespread on Friday with a few spots reaching 90-92 and the humidity really starts to build in late day and at night. 80-85 looks too low to me. Sun will be directly overhead and baking that airmass on Friday. I reached 82 under a much cooler HP the other day.
bm55
Although another blown forecast, a much needed .30 overnight.
lab94
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 16 2010, 10:11 PM) *
Radar in central Pa is actually getting healthy looking. See post above. Northern part of that line is getting close to NW NJ now.


some thunder and lightning and picked up 0.45"
satellite_eyes
I fell back asleep but did hear some thunder and pretty heavy rain. Don't think it lasted too long but i'm sure we could use what we got.
metfan4life
I am loving this weather. Temps in the low 70's with a cool wind.
icehater
QUOTE (lab94 @ Jun 17 2010, 07:31 AM) *
some thunder and lightning and picked up 0.45"



.00000001

I threw the 1 in because there was some hint of dampness on my deck rails. That whole line must have collapsed in minutes as it approached this area.

"I am loving this weather. Temps in the low 70's with a cool wind."

Put it in your dreams. You are looking at 85 at least tomorrow and then 85-90 and higher for the forseeable future after that.
LongIslandCoastalWx
Picked up a little rain last night. Was out on the deck around 2AM last night and it was raining. Not sure how much we picked up.

Ant, the heat and humidity is coming. Up into the 80's starting tomorrow and going higher into next week. Not seeing any "relief" until at least next Thursday and that should be short-lived before the heat ramps up again. We're going into a summery pattern, and it won't let up.
Stormchaser
Beautiful afternoon. 73.1 right now and we barely hit 75 for the high, but I'm ready for summer weather now. I don't see temps this cool for a long, long, long time.

Zero rain last night but I don't need any. Lawn needs to dry out.
weathergeek87
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 17 2010, 10:19 PM) *
.00000001

I threw the 1 in because there was some hint of dampness on my deck rails. That whole line must have collapsed in minutes as it approached this area.

"I am loving this weather. Temps in the low 70's with a cool wind."

Put it in your dreams. You are looking at 85 at least tomorrow and then 85-90 and higher for the forseeable future after that.


Everything was drenched and there were actually puddles this morning in the street so I would say we got a decent douse of rain last night. Surprisingly chilly today though! Looking forward to tomorrow and this weekend!
NittanyLion
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 17 2010, 05:19 PM) *
.00000001

I threw the 1 in because there was some hint of dampness on my deck rails. That whole line must have collapsed in minutes as it approached this area.

"I am loving this weather. Temps in the low 70's with a cool wind."

Put it in your dreams. You are looking at 85 at least tomorrow and then 85-90 and higher for the forseeable future after that.


Finally clearing out up here with some warm weather as well! Forecasting sunny and 88 tomorrow, and 92 on Saturday.
weatherbowl
Windy day here today, gusts to 29mph. High temperature 78 and did have a little rain last night.
Stormchaser
83 with brilliant sun and low humidity right now.
weatherbowl
Warm day but not uncomfortable. 77 degrees and nice breeze off the water. The sky this morning reminds me of Florida with all the cumulus clouds. Just not as oppressive.
doncat
Sea breeze again today stopped temps from getting any higher then 80. Only one day this past week warmed into the 80's and that was yesterday at 85. All other days were between 75-80.
NYBrit
Up to 83 at the moment. We'll probably hit or get near 90 tomorrow though. I hope not!
icehater
QUOTE (doncat @ Jun 19 2010, 03:43 PM) *
Sea breeze again today stopped temps from getting any higher then 80. Only one day this past week warmed into the 80's and that was yesterday at 85. All other days were between 75-80.


88.6 here for the high and 86.7 yesterday. Was in the pool all day and early this evening. No seabreeze here at all. Phenomenal summer weather. Thursday was the only sub 80 day here with a high of only 76.
NYBrit
84 degrees here already and it's only 11 oclock.
lab94
QUOTE (NYBrit @ Jun 20 2010, 11:04 AM) *
84 degrees here already and it's only 11 oclock.



its 85.7 dpt 71
forte408
Today is really the first truly uncomfortable day here, and even with that, it's not all that bad out. Haven't had to turn the air on at all, windows open, amazing ocean breeze. That being said, I went to the Toby Keith concert at PNC yesterday, and out there, tailgating was very uncomfortable from about 330 to 530, than it became nice.
icehater
QUOTE (forte408 @ Jun 20 2010, 11:30 AM) *
Today is really the first truly uncomfortable day here, and even with that, it's not all that bad out. Haven't had to turn the air on at all, windows open, amazing ocean breeze. That being said, I went to the Toby Keith concert at PNC yesterday, and out there, tailgating was very uncomfortable from about 330 to 530, than it became nice.


Huge difference from here to where you are. I've had the AC on continuously since mid May with only a few days of interruptions, mainly at night on the coolest nights. This is easily the most uncomfortable day here. Temp at 87 and DP at 71. Pool is at 87 too.
bm55
90 here, sunny and very humid. High of 86 yesterday and a low of 53. So far 10 days above 80 this month as compared to 11 days above 80 all of last June 2009, and most of those were low 80's.
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