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Hurricaneff
Heard this on the MLB Network the otherday.The most consecutive innings with atleast 1 strikeout is 41!!!!!Was done by Pedro in 98 or 99,forgot which year.2nd longest streak,31 innings by Pedro.

41 innings in a row with atleast 1K,I find that to be pretty damn impressive!!


They also mentione Joe D's hit streak,and after it was broken the next game he statrted a 17 game hit streak..That got me wonder..What is the record for the most games in a season with atleast 1 hit? Have been trying to find this,but have had no lucky.Anyone here know that record?
jfar57
Did you know that Rogers Hornsby (1922), Chuck Klein (1930), Wade Boggs (1985), Derek Jeter (1999) and Ichiro Suzuki (2001) each had at least one hit in one-hundred thirty-five games tieing themselves for the most games during a season with at least one hit?
jfar57
so now I am reading the baseball almanac website. anyone realize that with Griffey retiring that Jeter is the active Hits leader at least based upon 2009 final results?

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hihits1.shtml
Hurricaneff
Just did some math and Jeter did have the active players led in hits even before griffey retired.

Jeter has 2827,Griffey ended up with 2781
icehater
QUOTE (Hurricaneff @ Jun 17 2010, 03:16 PM) *
Heard this on the MLB Network the otherday.The most consecutive innings with atleast 1 strikeout is 41!!!!!Was done by Pedro in 98 or 99,forgot which year.2nd longest streak,31 innings by Pedro.

41 innings in a row with atleast 1K,I find that to be pretty damn impressive!!


They also mentione Joe D's hit streak,and after it was broken the next game he statrted a 17 game hit streak..That got me wonder..What is the record for the most games in a season with atleast 1 hit? Have been trying to find this,but have had no lucky.Anyone here know that record?


Pedro in 98-99 and for years after that was almost unhittable with a 98-100mph fastball and great stuff to go along with it. This is a guy that pitched in a bandbox half the time and had incredibly low ERA's. Pedro in Shea stadiun in those years could have challenged Bob Gibson's record 1.12 ERA. Definitely Pedro is among the most elite pitchers ever.
FreezingDrizzle
More interesting pitching stats: ERA adjusted relative the league for the seasons they pitched, all-time.

#1 -- Mariano by a wide margin (of course, he's a closer)

#2 is Pedro, best for starters all-time

Johan at #11 is impressive as well


http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/...us_career.shtml
icehater
QUOTE (FreezingDrizzle @ Jun 18 2010, 08:13 AM) *
More interesting pitching stats: ERA adjusted relative the league for the seasons they pitched, all-time.

#1 -- Mariano by a wide margin (of course, he's a closer)

#2 is Pedro, best for starters all-time

Johan at #11 is impressive as well


http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/...us_career.shtml


Relief pitching ERA is a nonsense statistic. That's not to discredit Mo but it's a heck of a lot easier having a low ERA pitching an inning at a time vs pitching whole games. Not having your ERA damaged by runners you allow to score but who - statistically speaking - are not your responsibility is a huge help too.
icehater
QUOTE (FreezingDrizzle @ Jun 18 2010, 08:13 AM) *
More interesting pitching stats: ERA adjusted relative the league for the seasons they pitched, all-time.

#1 -- Mariano by a wide margin (of course, he's a closer)

#2 is Pedro, best for starters all-time

Johan at #11 is impressive as well

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/...us_career.shtml


Not too me so much. His era is a lot higher than some of the great ones like Seaver, his career is incomplete and he's a 6-7 inning pitcher vs 8-9 innings compiled constantly by the great pitchers of the past. I'll take Seaver in his prime any day oif the week over Johan. A better way to look at it is pull the 5 best years of every pitcher and see where they stand. In that regard I doubt anyone could come close to touching Koufax, who routinely completed 20-25 games a year. There were actually a few years he averaged 25-30.
NittanyLion
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 18 2010, 11:34 AM) *
Relief pitching ERA is a nonsense statistic. That's not to discredit Mo but it's a heck of a lot easier having a low ERA pitching an inning at a time vs pitching whole games. Not having your ERA damaged by runners you allow to score but who - statistically speaking - are not your responsibility is a huge help too.


It could also be argued the other way around in that if you let up 1 run, your ERA is 9.00 for that game.
Hurricaneff
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 17 2010, 05:12 PM) *
Pedro in 98-99 and for years after that was almost unhittable with a 98-100mph fastball and great stuff to go along with it. This is a guy that pitched in a bandbox half the time and had incredibly low ERA's. Pedro in Shea stadiun in those years could have challenged Bob Gibson's record 1.12 ERA. Definitely Pedro is among the most elite pitchers ever.



from 1997-2002 here is what pedro did(6 year period)

wins-104 ------------------------- average of 17.3 per year
loses-32---------------------------5.3 per year
k's---1,555------------------------259 per year
inn--1221.1-----------------------203.5 per year
er--298----------------------------49.6 per year!!!!!!
ERA--2.19!!!!!!
icehater
QUOTE (NittanyLion @ Jun 18 2010, 01:12 PM) *
It could also be argued the other way around in that if you let up 1 run, your ERA is 9.00 for that game.


The problem with that is simply that the worst pitchers in MLB often pitch a few shutout innings at the start of the game. There's a big difference between facing the same hitter 3x in a game vs facing a hitter only once. The real measurement for relief pitchers is runs scored against him no matter if he allowed them to reach base or not. Clearly Mariano would have the best stats in that department anyway. The bottom line though is that pitchers becomes relievers for the simple reasons that they either d'ont have the repertoire of stuff needed to be a starter or they d'ont have the stamina to be a starter or both. Mariano was once a starter. He absolutely stunk.
Hurricaneff
Here is another amazing stat

During his 18 year career he only intentionally walk 30 batters!!!!!Talk about confidence


Just to pick a few other great pithchers that come to mind
Clemens 63 in 24 seasons
Bob Gibson 118 in 17 seasons
Koufax 48 in 12 season
Drysdale 123 in 14 seasons
icehater
QUOTE (Hurricaneff @ Jun 18 2010, 02:31 PM) *
from 1997-2002 here is what pedro did(6 year period)

wins-104 ------------------------- average of 17.3 per year
loses-32---------------------------5.3 per year
k's---1,555------------------------259 per year
inn--1221.1-----------------------203.5 per year
er--298----------------------------49.6 per year!!!!!!
ERA--2.19!!!!!!


ERA--2.19!!!!!!

In Fenway park! The guy would have had an ERA under 3 in a little league park in that period.
Hurricaneff
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 18 2010, 02:45 PM) *
ERA--2.19!!!!!!

In Fenway park! The guy would have had an ERA under 3 in a little league park in that period.



I would say this is time period was when steroids use was at it highest..Definatly an amazing stat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FreezingDrizzle
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 18 2010, 01:07 PM) *
Not too me so much. His era is a lot higher than some of the great ones like Seaver, his career is incomplete and he's a 6-7 inning pitcher vs 8-9 innings compiled constantly by the great pitchers of the past. I'll take Seaver in his prime any day oif the week over Johan. A better way to look at it is pull the 5 best years of every pitcher and see where they stand. In that regard I doubt anyone could come close to touching Koufax, who routinely completed 20-25 games a year. There were actually a few years he averaged 25-30.



Johan has the best era+ of active starters by a good margin; at the same time ranks #11 all-time. I didn't realize he ranked that high in this stat. Seaver and Koufax were great; Gibson from that time too. Comparing baseball players from different time-periods is a fun thing you do with friends, beer, and pretzels.
FreezingDrizzle
QUOTE (icehater @ Jun 18 2010, 11:34 AM) *
Relief pitching ERA is a nonsense statistic. That's not to discredit Mo but it's a heck of a lot easier having a low ERA pitching an inning at a time vs pitching whole games. Not having your ERA damaged by runners you allow to score but who - statistically speaking - are not your responsibility is a huge help too.


Of course, it's nonsense statistically to compare closer era's to starters era's, but it is a useful stat versus other closers. What is astounding is how high Mo's era numbers are versus the next best closer/reliever. His post-season era is even lower.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/riverma01.shtml

0.74 post-season era.
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