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wxtracker93
Well Well, HM, LC and several other of my met friends seem to think so :). 

Ok, basically what the consensus is that the models are not picking up the climatological aspect of the storm system.  As the coastal low reaches our area, and bombs out, it will "suck" all of the cold air in towards it.  However, this doesn't necessarily guarantee snow.  0z runs should be interesting...
benfica356
i hope so Brett
isobar65
  That would (1st tiime posting)  be some good news!
Stormchaser
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Well Well, HM, LC and several other of my met friends seem to think so :). 

Ok, basically what the consensus is that the models are not picking up the climatological aspect of the storm system.  As the coastal low reaches our area, and bombs out, it will "suck" all of the cold air in towards it.  However, this doesn't necessarily guarantee snow.  0z runs should be interesting...



Brett,

I have to agree at this point. I'm seeing this as snow at the onset; a brief period of sleet/freezing rain for I-95 prior to the energy transfer, then over to heavy snow with the wraparound effect. The models are having a difficult time handling the depth of the arctic airmass and the orientation of the polar vortex. That's what's going to make or break this storm -- how far south does the arctic front extend, as this will determine where the primary low ends up prior to the transfer. Very complex situation. The new upper air data comes in at 00z, so as others have been saying, it should be "telling".
staciluvssnow
Thanks for calming things down until the next series of runs comes out. One question, why would it not guarantee snow?
Sorry for the question, just trying to understand... ???
wxtracker93
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Well Well, HM, LC and several other of my met friends seem to think so :). 

Ok, basically what the consensus is that the models are not picking up the climatological aspect of the storm system.  As the coastal low reaches our area, and bombs out, it will "suck" all of the cold air in towards it.  However, this doesn't necessarily guarantee snow.  0z runs should be interesting...



Brett,

I have to agree at this point. I'm seeing this as snow at the onset; a brief period of sleet/freezing rain for I-95 prior to the energy transfer, then over to heavy snow with the wraparound effect. The models are having a difficult time handling the depth of the arctic airmass and the orientation of the polar vortex. That's what's going to make or break this storm -- how far south does the arctic front extend, as this will determine where the primary low ends up prior to the transfer. Very complex situation. The new upper air data comes in at 00z, so as others have been saying, it should be "telling".


Storm, we're definitely on the same page here.  Models aren't picking up the cold air at the low level/surface that the system will draw in.
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