Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 11:57 AM
Im sitting at 23 degrees, same as 10:30. Unchanged for a hour and a half.Not much Precip though. Im in Western Nassau, North Shore.
metfan4life
Dec 2 2007, 11:59 AM
me neither,im at 25
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 12:01 PM
Metfan I thought the precip would be light but it's been a lil too light over here I got about a half inch but no heavy bands. I hope we see one or 2 of those..I don't think it will change to plain rain to late late tonight if at all.
metfan4life
Dec 2 2007, 12:03 PM
i hope so
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 12:06 PM
This is one thing that Henry M has been saying and I had a feeling he would be right about the whole time. The models are not detecting this Lower Level Cold Air. Were still at 23 the high for the day is suppose to hit 34 when the hell is that gonna happen, but this is suppose to be a big storm, so Storm, Icehater when will we see heavier precip in any form???
OrangeCountyWeather06
Dec 2 2007, 12:07 PM
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This is one thing that Henry M has been saying and I had a feeling he would be right about the whole time. The models are not detecting this Lower Level Cold Air. Were still at 23 the high for the day is suppose to hit 34 when the hell is that gonna happen, but this is suppose to be a big storm, so Storm, Icehater when will we see heavier precip in any form???
Enough with Henry M. He's wrong.
metfan4life
Dec 2 2007, 12:08 PM
lol
snowfreak188
Dec 2 2007, 12:11 PM
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Enough with Henry M. He's wrong.
he hasnt been that wrong at all
yankee2274
Dec 2 2007, 12:50 PM
Wasn't Henry M. the guy everyone was making fun of last year for his predictions of apolyctic snow storms EVERY TIME even a sniff of snow was in the forecast. I think he tends to take the best case snenario for snow and just go with it to keep people interested in his take.
Virgaman
Dec 2 2007, 01:05 PM
yankee,
truthfully he was good with this event, many mocked him but he really did not do to badly.
shame we missed the heavy bands up here in pougkeepsie half inch now sleeting!!! 25 degrees.
icehater
Dec 2 2007, 01:07 PM
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This is one thing that Henry M has been saying and I had a feeling he would be right about the whole time. The models are not detecting this Lower Level Cold Air. Were still at 23 the high for the day is suppose to hit 34 when the hell is that gonna happen, but this is suppose to be a big storm, so Storm, Icehater when will we see heavier precip in any form???
When the warmer air gets here. You'll end up pushing 40 today, if not higher but it'll be at night. As for Henry - he thought the storm would form off the delmarva. That's not happening. The cold air is probably not going to hold on as long as the models had it last night when they had -2 to -3C readings over NYC till early evening and it also seems the more important mid level layers of the atmosphere are warming faster than last night model progs .
The coastal will form near LI and hug the coast a bit as it rapidly deepens. In fact if it deepened super fast it would at first move due N and go west of Boston. But the more plausible situation is it hugs the coast and goes NE after passing Boston. This is a Bangor Maine jackpot with 12-18" in most places of central Maine and probably 18"+ in the Bangor area. Blizzard warnings will probably be required in that area later tonight when the wind strength becomes more of a certainty. The GFS has actually been saying this would be the outcome for days now. Our friend Henry has simply been in denial about it. What Henry needs is for about 15 mln people in the NYC area to permanently move to Bangor. Then his wishcasts will be right 80+% of the time.
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 01:10 PM
Plain and Simple he has been dead on about this event i dont want to hear it.He said the cold air would hold on longer. Stop the BS. I dont love the guy nor do I usually follow him but he been pretty good with this event. Not just in this area but all over.
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 01:12 PM
Ice agree with you. Just talking mainly about the cold hanging on till later. He has said that since 2 ,3 days ago so i have to give him that
icehater
Dec 2 2007, 01:13 PM
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Plain and Simple he has been dead on about this event i dont want to hear it.He said the cold air would hold on longer. Stop the BS. I dont love the guy nor do I usually follow him but he been pretty good with this event. Not just in this area but all over.
Give me a break. He's so wrong on this storm it's a joke. He said 6" of snow in NYC and a storm forming much further south then where it's forming. If you think Henry is right then show me the deep NYC snow and the storm off the Delmarva.
icehater
Dec 2 2007, 01:14 PM
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Ice agree with you. Just talking mainly about the cold hanging on till later. He has said that since 2 ,3 days ago so i have to give him that
There wasn't one model that didn't say the low level cold would'nt hang on thru late Sunday afternoon. Not one.
snowfreak188
Dec 2 2007, 01:16 PM
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Give me a break. He's so wrong on this storm it's a joke. He said 6" of snow in NYC and a storm forming much further south then where it's forming. If you think Henry is right then show me the deep NYC snow and the storm off the Delmarva.
i never heard him say 6in at all or did i miss that one?
Stormchaser
Dec 2 2007, 01:16 PM
28.4 with light snow again here. 1" of snow looks like it for my area. Good enough; at least what I expected.
NYBrit
Dec 2 2007, 01:18 PM
28.6 here with occasional light flurries. About half an inch is all I got so far. It doesn't even completely cover the grass.
weatherbowl
Dec 2 2007, 01:20 PM
Still 25-26 degrees here, however the wind is starting to show a SE bias. Fortunately it is almost calm.
icehater
Dec 2 2007, 01:23 PM
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i never heard him say 6in at all or did i miss that one?
When the models switched to a lake cutter he kept insisting they were wrong all the way thru Thursday. He said 6" of snow and said model soundings supported it. He either read the soundings wrong or just looked at the start and end point soundings data and assumed it stayed cold in the middle. The GFS soundings he referred to showed 38-43 and rain for 80% of the QPF of the storm. Someone at AW must have showed him his error as he quickly came down to 1-2" on his next report. I never read Henry - I'm just going by all the Henry posts in this board. In fact I'm starting to wish Brett opens a Henry said section. IMO - Henry is to weather what the National Enquirer is to news.
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 01:23 PM
Ice 6 inches of snow in NYC.Sorry never seen that. Go find me where he wrote that and post it here. That's not correct not by a long shot. He said 3 or 4, then ice.6 inches...hmmmm
metfan4life
Dec 2 2007, 01:24 PM
actually he did say up to 6 inches few days ago and then he changed it,he still thinks a icestorm for nyc tonight
icehater
Dec 2 2007, 01:25 PM
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28.6 here with occasional light flurries. About half an inch is all I got so far. It doesn't even completely cover the grass.
NYbrit - same here but I'd say about 3/4" on the deck and driveway. Can't measure snow on the grass when its this small an amount. Ground still radiating plenty of warmth as snow has melted off my pool deck patio with temps as low as 25.9. Now it's 28.3.
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 01:26 PM
MetFan show me the report. I been following what he has been saying about this storm for days never read that.
metfan4life
Dec 2 2007, 01:27 PM
he said it last week,i forgot when though
icehater
Dec 2 2007, 01:28 PM
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MetFan show me the report. I been following what he has been saying about this storm for days never read that.
Go on Eastern. There's a whole thread on Henry's foolishness.
robbbs
Dec 2 2007, 01:29 PM
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Ice 6 inches of snow in NYC.Sorry never seen that. Go find me where he wrote that and post it here. That's not correct not by a long shot. He said 3 or 4, then ice.6 inches...hmmmm
As late as Friday, Henry was saying that NYC would see 6" of snow on the ground. Then, in typical fashion, he never made reference to it again. You want his most recent nonsense? Check his snowfall prediction map issued just a few hours ago -- he has a good part of northern NJ getting 3" to 6" of additional snow from tonight through Monday. Pure fiction. Too bad, if it was anyone else forecasting it I might listen but with Henry I just shake my head at the incompetence.
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 01:33 PM
I'm not gonna even talk about this anymore.People are so biased against Henry it's a joke. I dont care how many storms he's Fu#$ed up in the past this one he has not been bad.
metfan4life
Dec 2 2007, 01:34 PM
and he said major icestorm for nyc to lmaooo,this storm he did ok with,he talked about how the models didnt handle the cold air,hes right on that but we got to see if he right later on when the storm takes shape
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 01:34 PM
He still is a ProMet which none of us are. Reagardless if he stinks he got a certificate showing he is a MET
Stormchaser
Dec 2 2007, 01:35 PM
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I'm not gonna even talk about this anymore.People are so biased against Henry it's a joke. I dont care how many storms he's Fu#$ed up in the past this one he has not been bad.
I'm getting sick of the Henry bashing as well. Even though much of it is true; I feel sorry for the guy.
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 01:35 PM
Metfan dont get too crazy about Henry from reading your past posts you quots henry a lot, and seems to agree with what he says sometimes.LOL...
metfan4life
Dec 2 2007, 01:36 PM
hes not the only one i look at when im at accuweather checking it out,i look at the other pro mets on there to
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 01:36 PM
Hey Storm!!! He gets the last laugh because he gets $$$$$$$ for his forecasts
icehater
Dec 2 2007, 01:39 PM
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I'm not gonna even talk about this anymore.People are so biased against Henry it's a joke. I dont care how many storms he's Fu#$ed up in the past this one he has not been bad.
Your choice. If you think he's great then read him and good luck. Again I wish Henry had his own section so that we can bypass his wishcasts. I will tell you the man does his real job very well though. His real job is not forecasting weather - it's attracting people to AW's site where he's the winter set-up guy for snow or near snow events. AW realized a few years ago that if they kept JB in that role his Met reputation would be permanently damaged, hence Henry stepped up to the plate as the permanent DH in that role. He's done that job real well, has the personality for it and seems like a genuinely nice guy. But weather and marketing are two very different things.
robbbs
Dec 2 2007, 01:41 PM
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I'm getting sick of the Henry bashing as well. Even though much of it is true; I feel sorry for the guy.
Storm, probably one of the very very few times we disagree. Lol. Instead of feeling sorry for him, I feel sorry for the talented mets who would and should have his job. I also feel sorry for the many people who are misled by him. I guess the concept of a meritocracy is foreign to accuweather.
snowfreak188
Dec 2 2007, 01:41 PM
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I'm getting sick of the Henry bashing as well. Even though much of it is true; I feel sorry for the guy.
same here i mean the guy atleast is trying and has his own weather forcast he had to do something rite to be able to get in that spot!
robbbs
Dec 2 2007, 01:43 PM
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Hey Storm!!! He gets the last laugh because he gets $$$$$$$ for his forecasts
We're in agreement on this.
icehater
Dec 2 2007, 01:43 PM
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same here i mean the guy atleast is trying and has his own weather forcast he had to do something rite to be able to get in that spot!
When did you ever see his employer use one of his forecasts in their public forecasts?
NYBrit
Dec 2 2007, 01:44 PM
One observation..if you take Henry at his word throughout this winter you're in for more disappointments than not. Ok he didn't do so bad with this one, he said the models understimated the colder weather but if he said 6" snow for nyc even once then that is a bad bust. And it's going to be like that throughout this winter most likely. He will always overdo the snowfall totals because as Ice said he's there to draw people to the accuweather site. And nothing draws the crowds more than a good snowstorm!
Mrsnow88
Dec 2 2007, 01:50 PM
NyBrit. Agreed that's what I have been trying to say. And I got Icehater telling me if I think he's great. Great I NEVER EVER SAID THAT NOR WOULD I DEFEND ANYONE.LOL. This all started with me saying he was the first one saying that the cold was being underestimated.........................And like I said he gets paid for it....God Bless Him
snowfreak188
Dec 2 2007, 01:50 PM
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When did you ever see his employer use one of his forecasts in their public forecasts?
no i dont see them using any of there forcasts! i think your bashing him pretty hard for no reason you get that mad just becasue he was wrong get over it and move on. i mean if you know hes wrong why keep bashing him.
snowfreak188
Dec 2 2007, 01:51 PM
if this is rite then henry was actually rite :ohmy:
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/SFCUS/last.html
Stormchaser
Dec 2 2007, 01:52 PM
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Storm, probably one of the very very few times we disagree. Lol. Instead of feeling sorry for him, I feel sorry for the talented mets who would and should have his job. I also feel sorry for the many people who are misled by him. I guess the concept of a meritocracy is foreign to accuweather.
No we agree - I feel sorry for the people around him too. LOL. Don't know why he puts himself in these positions though (unless he makes more $$ by issuing outlandish forecasts).
robbbs
Dec 2 2007, 01:55 PM
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No we agree - I feel sorry for the people around him too. LOL. Don't know why he puts himself in these positions though (unless he makes more $$ by issuing outlandish forecasts).
Storm, it's all about the clicks and look at how we're all talking about him and what he says.
NYBrit
Dec 2 2007, 01:58 PM
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Storm, it's all about the clicks and look at how we're all talking about him and what he says.
One thing's for sure. He gets a lot of attention. A lot more than he would get if he was a more conservative Met like most of the others. Good or bad attention it equals more hits for Accuweather.com. So as far as they're concerned he's doing a great job ;)
yankee2274
Dec 2 2007, 02:01 PM
I am sorry, and I know this won't be liked, but Mr. Snow, it is obvious you are a friend or relative of Henry. Otherwise you wouldn't be so passionate about defending the cartoon character he has basically become. Every time last year, he so overhyped every little storm. It could be forecasted to be 53 degrees and he would say something along the lines of, there is a shot for cold air to work in, and then a blizzard will happen. Well, nice, but not gonna happen. Friend or relative, Mr. Snow?
robbbs
Dec 2 2007, 02:01 PM
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if this is rite then henry was actually rite :ohmy:
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/SFCUS/last.htmlHe wasn't right. His thoughts were for much snow right into NYC and was based on precip from the coastal, not from WAA with the warm front. He also said soundings showed NYC would stay frozen for the enitre event -- an incredibly wrong statement. Lastly, don't just look at where a coastal forms but where it will have an impact. Many of us have been saying for days that this is northen New England's snowstorm and that's precisely what will happen when the coastal gets cranking east of Boston. Anyway, enough of this for me. For those that want to listen to him, as ice said it's your choice. Life is too short for this.
satellite_eyes
Dec 2 2007, 02:04 PM
Seems like what happened here was that pretty much the whole area got an inch or two of snow and it lasted all through the morning so maybe the duration made it look like a small snowstorm. So people start thinking Henry was more onto something than pretty much everyone else (mainstream media) who basically forecasted more of a quick mix than anything. Well if Henry was right (which to me he wasn't) then he was right for all the wrong reasons. The one thing that has happened is the cold air is hanging on longer. I guess you can say he was right about that. But i don't really remember if he thought that bc of the coastal or not.
Anyway it seems to me that Henry doesn't do forecasts. He just gives broad overviews for the eastern US. Not actual forecasts.
snowfreak188
Dec 2 2007, 02:05 PM
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He wasn't right. His thoughts were for much snow right into NYC and was based on precip from the coastal, not from WAA with the warm front. He also said soundings showed NYC would stay frozen for the enitre event -- an incredibly wrong statement. Lastly, don't just look at where a coastal forms but where it will have an impact. Many of us have been saying for days that this is northen New England's snowstorm and that's precisely what will happen when the coastal gets cranking east of Boston. Anyway, enough of this for me. For those that want to listen to him, as ice said it's your choice. Life is too short for this.
robbbs i never said anything about all that stuff you just mentioned im just saying or i mean isnt it developing much further south then the models have it?
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