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Full Version: Christopher Daggett
On chances of winning:
Shaftan gave Daggett little chance of winning in November, and said a close election between Corzine and Christie will keep voters away due to the "don't waste your vote syndrome." Still, he said that Daggett's ideology - he's pro choice and supports gay marriage but is fiscally conservative - puts him in a good position.
I'll consider voting for him, definitely sounds like the best of the top three running.
Shaftan gave Daggett little chance of winning in November, and said a close election between Corzine and Christie will keep voters away due to the "don't waste your vote syndrome." Still, he said that Daggett's ideology - he's pro choice and supports gay marriage but is fiscally conservative - puts him in a good position.
I'll consider voting for him, definitely sounds like the best of the top three running.
I met him when he was campaigning in Ridgewood last week. Seems pretty sharp, although I don't know much about his background.
I'd say he's the best of the three. Daggett > Corzine > Christie.
QUOTE (wxtracker93 @ Oct 18 2009, 12:52 AM) 
I'd say he's the best of the three. Daggett > Corzine > Christie.
Completely agree.
QUOTE (NittanyLion @ Aug 18 2009, 06:26 PM)
On chances of winning:
Shaftan gave Daggett little chance of winning in November, and said a close election between Corzine and Christie will keep voters away due to the "don't waste your vote syndrome." Still, he said that Daggett's ideology - he's pro choice and supports gay marriage but is fiscally conservative - puts him in a good position.
I'll consider voting for him, definitely sounds like the best of the top three running.
Shaftan gave Daggett little chance of winning in November, and said a close election between Corzine and Christie will keep voters away due to the "don't waste your vote syndrome." Still, he said that Daggett's ideology - he's pro choice and supports gay marriage but is fiscally conservative - puts him in a good position.
I'll consider voting for him, definitely sounds like the best of the top three running.
thats the only realistic way to change things at this point (from local to state to fed). a 3rd party victory would be great
All he's going to do is split the anti-Corzine vote enough for that jackass to get re-elected. Watch, he'll win with about 40 percent of the vote.
QUOTE (devilsfan0405 @ Oct 21 2009, 12:11 PM)
All he's going to do is split the anti-Corzine vote enough for that jackass to get re-elected. Watch, he'll win with about 40 percent of the vote.
He will take some of the Democrats' vote too. I know there are plenty of us who cannot vote for Corzine again and will definitely not vote for Christie. And unfortunately there are a lot of people who would probably vote for Daggett but won't because its viewed as a "wasted" vote.
Read the other day that Daggett is actually up to 20 percent in the polls. It's probably too late for him to close the gap, but you never know. It probably will only take around 40 percent of the vote to win with the ballots being split among three candidates. It would actually be nice to see both the Democrats and Republicans thrown for a loop for once. Might knock some sense into both parties.
QUOTE (devilsfan0405 @ Oct 23 2009, 09:48 PM)
Read the other day that Daggett is actually up to 20 percent in the polls. It's probably too late for him to close the gap, but you never know. It probably will only take around 40 percent of the vote to win with the ballots being split among three candidates. It would actually be nice to see both the Democrats and Republicans thrown for a loop for once. Might knock some sense into both parties.
1st 3rd party candidate in awhile that has at least a slim chance to make some real waves in the election.
A vote for Daggett is a vote for Daggett; it isn't a wasted vote. Although I'm a liberal and align myself with the Dems, its clear that the two-party system has failed NJ. Time to give something (someone) else a try. Think about it.
QUOTE (wxtracker93 @ Oct 27 2009, 11:02 PM)
A vote for Daggett is a vote for Daggett; it isn't a wasted vote. Although I'm a liberal and align myself with the Dems, its clear that the two-party system has failed NJ. Time to give something (someone) else a try. Think about it.
True, But this year I feel like I have to choose between shooting myself, stabing myself or hanging myself when it comes to picking one of those three. We need Ice or Robbs to run! Hell, I would even go as low as RG!!!!!
QUOTE (wxtracker93 @ Oct 27 2009, 11:02 PM)
A vote for Daggett is a vote for Daggett; it isn't a wasted vote. Although I'm a liberal and align myself with the Dems, its clear that the two-party system has failed NJ. Time to give something (someone) else a try. Think about it.
agree!! and while we're at it follow the "GRIP" model and vote all the current seat holders locally out too. need to send a message regardless of party lines. don't need NJ to end up like detroit.
http://blog.nj.com/njv_kevin_manahan/2009/...daggett_an.html
The Angry Jerseyans, too, embrace their rage. It’s who they are. And it seems they don’t want to make that anger go away. What would they do if they couldn’t complain about living in New Jersey and constantly threaten to leave?
A Rutgers-Eagleton poll, released Monday, found that almost 70 percent of New Jersey voters are open to a strong alternative to the Republican and Democratic parties. Thirty-seven percent said they would prefer more than two major parties. Yet independent gubernatorial candidate Chris Daggett gets the support of only 20 percent of likely voters.
"It is striking how many New Jersey voters say they want an alterative, yet how unwilling they are to vote for that alternative when available," poll director David Redlawsk told PolitickerNJ.com.
For the past two decades, the message of the Angry Jerseyans has been the same: The two-party system is broken and corrupt and manipulated by party bosses and special interests. Taxes are out of control.
An, while they screamed from the bleachers, the Democrats and Republicans, like two crooked boxers, have stood in the middle of the ring, winking and throwing haymakers at each other — all the while knowing the fix is in.
"We need an independent candidate to save us!" the masses shouted as they scanned the political horizon for a savior.
This year, a year like no other in New Jersey politics, Daggett fell into their laps. He’s a rational, clear-thinking independent who doesn’t make voters fear that one day he’ll announce that he believes in UFOs and has even ridden in one. Or that he will balance the budget by replacing the dollar with M&Ms.
Daggett was a deputy chief of staff in the Kean administration and a regional administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency under President Reagan. He could run the state.
He speaks to the Angry Jerseyans, if they’d just listen: He says it’s time for the state workers, cops and firemen and teachers to get realistic about their pay, pension and health benefits (and tenure) before they bankrupt the state. Imagine that: A gubernatorial candidate who isn’t afraid to throw pebbles at union windows.
Daggett’s economic plan has two parts. One shifts the tax burden from the property tax to the sales tax. Daggett says he can cut property taxes by 25 percent with money he’d raise by imposing a sales tax on services like legal fees, private club memberships and cable TV bills.
You’d think ideas like these would get the Angry Jerseyans behind him. To top it off, The Star-Ledger, the state’s largest newspaper, endorsed him.
The Angry Jerseyans, too, embrace their rage. It’s who they are. And it seems they don’t want to make that anger go away. What would they do if they couldn’t complain about living in New Jersey and constantly threaten to leave?
A Rutgers-Eagleton poll, released Monday, found that almost 70 percent of New Jersey voters are open to a strong alternative to the Republican and Democratic parties. Thirty-seven percent said they would prefer more than two major parties. Yet independent gubernatorial candidate Chris Daggett gets the support of only 20 percent of likely voters.
"It is striking how many New Jersey voters say they want an alterative, yet how unwilling they are to vote for that alternative when available," poll director David Redlawsk told PolitickerNJ.com.
For the past two decades, the message of the Angry Jerseyans has been the same: The two-party system is broken and corrupt and manipulated by party bosses and special interests. Taxes are out of control.
An, while they screamed from the bleachers, the Democrats and Republicans, like two crooked boxers, have stood in the middle of the ring, winking and throwing haymakers at each other — all the while knowing the fix is in.
"We need an independent candidate to save us!" the masses shouted as they scanned the political horizon for a savior.
This year, a year like no other in New Jersey politics, Daggett fell into their laps. He’s a rational, clear-thinking independent who doesn’t make voters fear that one day he’ll announce that he believes in UFOs and has even ridden in one. Or that he will balance the budget by replacing the dollar with M&Ms.
Daggett was a deputy chief of staff in the Kean administration and a regional administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency under President Reagan. He could run the state.
He speaks to the Angry Jerseyans, if they’d just listen: He says it’s time for the state workers, cops and firemen and teachers to get realistic about their pay, pension and health benefits (and tenure) before they bankrupt the state. Imagine that: A gubernatorial candidate who isn’t afraid to throw pebbles at union windows.
Daggett’s economic plan has two parts. One shifts the tax burden from the property tax to the sales tax. Daggett says he can cut property taxes by 25 percent with money he’d raise by imposing a sales tax on services like legal fees, private club memberships and cable TV bills.
You’d think ideas like these would get the Angry Jerseyans behind him. To top it off, The Star-Ledger, the state’s largest newspaper, endorsed him.
What if Chris Daggett won the race for Governor?
Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:00
BY BOB McHUGH
NEWJERSEYNEWSROOM.COM
COMMENTARY
There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.
That's what the Buffalo Springfield sang in the 60's and it seems to me that something might be happening here in New Jersey as we get ready to vote for governor next week.
A lot of people I talk to are saying they're going to vote for independent challenger Chris Daggett.
What if they did?
Almost unheard of, Daggett, is 59, from Basking Ridge and held important environmental posts in the Kean and Bush 41 administrations. His upstart campaigning has been raising eyebrows, though he hasn't broken out past 15 to 20 percent in the polls.
But, damn, what if he won? What if?
Well, for the first time since Lincoln, the governor of New Jersey wouldn't be a Republican or a Democrat. He wouldn't be beholden to any party bosses, legislative leaders, senators, congressmen or convicted felons.
He could pick anybody he wanted for his cabinet. Yes, recent governors have reached across the aisle to pick cabinet members from the opposition. But, all too often, it's still a parade of the same hacks whose main qualifications seem to be being a hack. There were some darn talented people in the Kean Administration — not to mention the Florio, Whitman and Corzine staffs.
There's a heck of a lot of really talented people all over the place in New Jersey. Why not pick some of them?
If Daggett or any other independent were elected he would not owe allegiance to either house of either party in the Legislature. Right now - and promising to stay be true after this election - our state Legislature is the most corrupt and incompetent it has been in decades.
Several legislative biggies are in jail. The unindicted spend their time bickering or are consumed with getting re-elected. Senate Democrats, for example, have gotten more headlines for disagreeing over who their next leader will be than working on, say, unemployment. (It's possible, if not likely, that some will learn more about the latter after Election Day.)
Incoming governors are advised to learn to work with the Legislature. A true independent might be able to work around them.
Finally, if Chris Daggett or any independent were elected governor, it might mean that we could truly balance our revenues and spending.
Every pipsqueak political consultant knows that to win you must accuse your opponent of wanting to raise taxes. This has been the most deadly weapon in the campaign arsenal since Gov. Jim Florio raised taxes by $2.7 billion and was denied re-election by Christie Whitman. (Even today, incumbent governors are pretty safe bets for reelection unless they raise taxes or declare they are gay.)
True Florio raised taxes a fateful $2.7 billion. We also owed $2.7 billion in budget deficits. Though political unwise, Florio was simply balancing the books.
Chris Christie, the former highly effective U.S. attorney who is the GOP candidate for governor, says Daggett has called for $4 billion in new taxes - Christie's math.
Well, even if that's true, the state's budget shortfall is about $8 billion. So if Daggett could raise $4 billion — and that would be Herculean — it'd still only go halfway toward making the state whole again.
An independent governor might also make the "tough choices" on cutting spending. And they would be truly tough. Try being accused of closing a park or a senior citizen center. Or taking crayons away from school kids. Or not providing enough cops.
Aggrieved state-workers union members would picket the Statehouse. They would picket the governor's house. Some would scream "Nazi" or the F-word, as they a have done before. It would be very, very ugly.
Most politicians would crumble like Feta cheese under those sorts of charges. But a truly independent governor must just weather such a storm knowing that it's not the unions, but the taxpayers that he serves.
There would be an added plus to electing a truly independent governor: he wouldn't have waste time on future campaigns. There's no way anybody that honest is going to get reelected.
Wednesday, 28 October 2009 00:00
BY BOB McHUGH
NEWJERSEYNEWSROOM.COM
COMMENTARY
There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.
That's what the Buffalo Springfield sang in the 60's and it seems to me that something might be happening here in New Jersey as we get ready to vote for governor next week.
A lot of people I talk to are saying they're going to vote for independent challenger Chris Daggett.
What if they did?
Almost unheard of, Daggett, is 59, from Basking Ridge and held important environmental posts in the Kean and Bush 41 administrations. His upstart campaigning has been raising eyebrows, though he hasn't broken out past 15 to 20 percent in the polls.
But, damn, what if he won? What if?
Well, for the first time since Lincoln, the governor of New Jersey wouldn't be a Republican or a Democrat. He wouldn't be beholden to any party bosses, legislative leaders, senators, congressmen or convicted felons.
He could pick anybody he wanted for his cabinet. Yes, recent governors have reached across the aisle to pick cabinet members from the opposition. But, all too often, it's still a parade of the same hacks whose main qualifications seem to be being a hack. There were some darn talented people in the Kean Administration — not to mention the Florio, Whitman and Corzine staffs.
There's a heck of a lot of really talented people all over the place in New Jersey. Why not pick some of them?
If Daggett or any other independent were elected he would not owe allegiance to either house of either party in the Legislature. Right now - and promising to stay be true after this election - our state Legislature is the most corrupt and incompetent it has been in decades.
Several legislative biggies are in jail. The unindicted spend their time bickering or are consumed with getting re-elected. Senate Democrats, for example, have gotten more headlines for disagreeing over who their next leader will be than working on, say, unemployment. (It's possible, if not likely, that some will learn more about the latter after Election Day.)
Incoming governors are advised to learn to work with the Legislature. A true independent might be able to work around them.
Finally, if Chris Daggett or any independent were elected governor, it might mean that we could truly balance our revenues and spending.
Every pipsqueak political consultant knows that to win you must accuse your opponent of wanting to raise taxes. This has been the most deadly weapon in the campaign arsenal since Gov. Jim Florio raised taxes by $2.7 billion and was denied re-election by Christie Whitman. (Even today, incumbent governors are pretty safe bets for reelection unless they raise taxes or declare they are gay.)
True Florio raised taxes a fateful $2.7 billion. We also owed $2.7 billion in budget deficits. Though political unwise, Florio was simply balancing the books.
Chris Christie, the former highly effective U.S. attorney who is the GOP candidate for governor, says Daggett has called for $4 billion in new taxes - Christie's math.
Well, even if that's true, the state's budget shortfall is about $8 billion. So if Daggett could raise $4 billion — and that would be Herculean — it'd still only go halfway toward making the state whole again.
An independent governor might also make the "tough choices" on cutting spending. And they would be truly tough. Try being accused of closing a park or a senior citizen center. Or taking crayons away from school kids. Or not providing enough cops.
Aggrieved state-workers union members would picket the Statehouse. They would picket the governor's house. Some would scream "Nazi" or the F-word, as they a have done before. It would be very, very ugly.
Most politicians would crumble like Feta cheese under those sorts of charges. But a truly independent governor must just weather such a storm knowing that it's not the unions, but the taxpayers that he serves.
There would be an added plus to electing a truly independent governor: he wouldn't have waste time on future campaigns. There's no way anybody that honest is going to get reelected.
utopia? if he won who knows what would/wouldn't change...i would like to at least give it a try
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